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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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Obvious ones:
Bath
Brookes
Coventry

The main ones that spring to mind.

It depends what part of F1 you want to work in, powertrain recruits different expertise then chassis.
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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Hi there Kep134!

At Cranfield we offer a few different Motorsport courses that might be of interest to you:

Advanced Motorsport Engineering MSc
Advanced Motorsport Mechatronics MSc
Automotive Mechatronics MSc
Automotive Engineering MSc


You can read more about these courses on our website or our blog which is written by students:
https://www.cranfield.ac.uk/forms/br...otorsport-form
https://blogs.cranfield.ac.uk/?s=motorsport
https://blogs.cranfield.ac.uk/?s=automotive

We also have ties with F1, in particular we're home to Cranfield Motorsport Simulation and Cranfield Impact Centre, which work with F1 as well as other motorsport organisations.

https://www.cranfieldsimulation.com/
http://www.cranfieldimpactcentre.com/

Some of our Masters students have worked with F1 teams for their thesis projects, and some of our teaching staff have F1 backgrounds. We have a lot of industry ties, it's a really exciting place to be

Hope this helps, it's quite a lot of information!

Feel free to ask anything else you'd like to know, either about the courses or Cranfield in general!

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For F1 students usually come from a variety of universities. Oxford Brookes, Bath, Hertfordshire ? probably have the best record of British Formula Student teams.

I didn’t know chassis and powertrain recruit from different universities ? F1 teams used to sponsor some Oxford Brookes students but this was in the late 1990s and early 2000s as Brookes and Benetton / Renault and TWR has agreements with Brookes. Not sure whether they do that anymore.
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For F1 students usually come from a variety of universities. Oxford Brookes, Bath, Hertfordshire ? probably have the best record of British Formula Student teams.

I didn’t know chassis and powertrain recruit from different universities ? F1 teams used to sponsor some Oxford Brookes students but this was in the late 1990s and early 2000s as Brookes and Benetton / Renault and TWR has agreements with Brookes. Not sure whether they do that anymore.
I dont think the different departments necessarily hire from different unis,
but a students CV will need to be suited to the position they are applying for. Most formula student people end up on chassis looking at suspension, brakes, tub, body etc. some unis do some fairly basic aero stuff (from what ive seen just basic geometry CFD simulation). The people I know who work in F1 all had some prior experience in the area they got hired into, and its just a case of what formula student lends itself.

But powertrain would require more expertise in combustion or electrification which is much harder to do in formula student so the students are more likely to have an internship or project work elsewhere and hence the background of the students in these areas might be a little different.
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'Brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means' but Leeds is? I don't think so. And Brookes is rated as one of the highest in Formula Student, Formula Racing and Automotive industry. It is also very good for architecture, building & construction-related courses, business management and hospitality management so it is a very good university. And Cranfield is a postgrad only university.

Bath, Brookes, Loughborough, Cranfield, Hertfordshire, and Coventry are the most targeted universities in the F1 industry and Warwick is good in the automotive industry.
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'Brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means' but Leeds is? I don't think so. And Brookes is rated as one of the highest in Formula Student, Formula Racing and Automotive industry. It is also very good for architecture, building & construction-related courses, business management and hospitality management so it is a very good university. And Cranfield is a postgrad only university.

Bath, Brookes, Loughborough, Cranfield, Hertfordshire, and Coventry are the most targeted universities in the F1 industry and Warwick is good in the automotive industry.
TBH I don’t think you’d be at any disadvantage going to Leeds if they still apply for motorsports internships. The reason Brookes, loughborough, Coventry, Bath do well is because of how integrated the motorsports knowledge is into the course. If a applicant sought out the industry im sure they’d be fine.

Leeds is an excellent university & among the most respected for engineering.
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TBH I don’t think you’d be at any disadvantage going to Leeds if they still apply for motorsports internships. The reason Brookes, loughborough, Coventry, Bath do well is because of how integrated the motorsports knowledge is into the course. If a applicant sought out the industry im sure they’d be fine.

Leeds is an excellent university & among the most respected for engineering.
I would add University of Southampton and Brunel to that list too.

Loughborough the Automotive Eng (MEng) shares some modules with Mech Eng but has auto specific modules. They also let you have a go on the MIRA test track which is a unique feature of the course so you get exposure to vehicle evaluation and testing of a road car.

Cranfield is a postgrad only.

Is Imperial well regarded in F1 ? I know the content isn’t as auto or motorsport specific as other universities and other universities do better in Formula Student.

No matter where you go NO degree guarantees any kind of job. IMO.
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Hi, I'm not sure about reputation but UCLan (University of Central Lancashire) offers a BEng or MEng in Motorsport Engineering and you get to work on Formula Ford cars, build a Formula Student race-car and enter that car into a competition at Silverstone. It seems like a good course for gaining experience as they support you in finding a 48-week placement if you want to do that. I'm pretty clueless about cars to be honest so it might not be F1 but it's Formula something . You need maths and physics or STEM subjects at a C to get in so entry requirements aren't too high.
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I would add University of Southampton and Brunel to that list too.

Loughborough the Automotive Eng (MEng) shares some modules with Mech Eng but has auto specific modules. They also let you have a go on the MIRA test track which is a unique feature of the course so you get exposure to vehicle evaluation and testing of a road car.

Cranfield is a postgrad only.

Is Imperial well regarded in F1 ? I know the content isn’t as auto or motorsport specific as other universities and other universities do better in Formula Student.

No matter where you go NO degree guarantees any kind of job. IMO.
Yep totally agree, Brunel very good in automotive (and they have a very strong power-train research department, especially considering the level of research the uni puts out as a whole).

Southampton, dont know how we missed that, they are also excellent across the board and have some excellent specialisms in motor-sport technology (its the uni Adrien Newey went to...)

Imperial (as with Oxbridge) is never going to be frowned upon, I think the reality is very few Imperial grads go into motor-sport, mainly because F1 does not compete with salary in the sectors these grads get employed into. (but the technical director at Mercedes is a Cambridge grad so clearly they can do just as well).
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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Hi Kep134,

Have you considered studying at Coventry University? As some of the writers recognised, Coventry University Engineering department is well-known for its links with the automotive industry. At the undergraduate level, I think you will find our Automotive Engineering course in line with your career goals. During the course, you will apply your knowledge when working with Cruden F1 simulator. The simulator includes the same software and calculations used by professional racing teams. We have links with the industry and our students undertake year-long placements with great employers, such as Boutsen Ginion Racing. You can read more about the placement experience here: https://www.coventry.ac.uk/study-at-...g-karchevskyy/ and more details about the Automotive Engineering course can be found here: https://www.coventry.ac.uk/course-st...mengbeng-hons/

Other courses of ours that you can find beneficial are Motorsport Engineering and Mechanical Engineering. I highly recommend joining our online open day where lecturers and engineering student ambassadors can speak with you about the specific courses and the differences between them. In fact, we have an upcoming virtual open day this Saturday. You can register here: https://www.coventry.ac.uk/study-at-...our-open-days/

I hope you find it helpful. If you have any specific questions about Coventry University, please feel free to get in touch with us - we're here to help!

Kind regards,

Monika
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Hey so I would say Southampton niversity by far, they have the largest wind tunnel in Europe or something and some of the big F1 teams come to the uni for testing. They are also highly ranked uni for aerospace As well as that they have a strong formula student team and a lot of their members go into F1. When I was applying, this is what made me chose this uni over Loughborough Coventry etc. You can get a lot out of the aerodynamics side if from this university when compared to others
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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i actually had a friend who wanted to be an F1 engineer and he turned down a place at Imperial to do engineering at Loughborough because of the reputation of the course...from his LinkedIn it appears he got into the industry
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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Brookes was the first university to offer Motorsport Engineering and it has the most successful Formula Student record of any university in the UK.

It is a target for F1 teams and every team has Brookes graduates in it -
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TBH I don’t think you’d be at any disadvantage going to Leeds if they still apply for motorsports internships. The reason Brookes, loughborough, Coventry, Bath do well is because of how integrated the motorsports knowledge is into the course. If a applicant sought out the industry im sure they’d be fine.

Leeds is an excellent university & among the most respected for engineering.
Don't get me wrong. Leeds is a very good university. Its just that the fact that people think Leeds is a good uni while Brookes isn't baffles me.
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i actually had a friend who wanted to be an F1 engineer and he turned down a place at Imperial to do engineering at Loughborough because of the reputation of the course...from his LinkedIn it appears he got into the industry
Which course did he do at Loughborough ? Which course did he turn down at Imperial ?

I think Loughborough and Brookes and possibly Bath etc are a lot more focused on automotive or motorsport than Cambridge, Imperial or Oxford. I know Loughborough is highly regarding on the road car side.

However, even if you go Brookes or whatever university you go to the chances of getting into somewhere like F1 is small given they don’t hire that many people and so many want to do it. They can presumably afford to not pay much because you have no experience and they can get someone else.
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What are the best universities for a Career in f1. Not just for the course but also the formula student team... I'm thinking about doing an automotive or mechanical engineering course. I've been recommended Oxford Brookes university by one person and Leeds by another. The one that recommended Leeds also said that it'd be a good idea to do an integrated masters (MEng). I think he also mentioned Cranfield...

I know brookes isn't rated as the highest by any means but it has a lot of connections to f1.
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Hi Kep134,

Have you looked at the engineering programmes we offer here at Loughborough?

We have sent numerous students from various engineering courses on placements within F1 teams and have a successful Formula student team, that has members from a variety of our programmes. All three of our schools are multi-disciplinary so you will pick up skills and experience from across the programmes learning from our industry renowned course leaders and your peers.

Feel free to drop us a PM to discuss what Loughborough can offer you in more detail or to answer any questions you may have.
Best Wishes,
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Hey so I would say Southampton niversity by far, they have the largest wind tunnel in Europe or something and some of the big F1 teams come to the uni for testing. They are also highly ranked uni for aerospace As well as that they have a strong formula student team and a lot of their members go into F1. When I was applying, this is what made me chose this uni over Loughborough Coventry etc. You can get a lot out of the aerodynamics side if from this university when compared to others
They definitely don't have the largest wind tunnel in Europe, and even if they did you aren't getting anywhere near to it as an undergraduate student because those things cost 10s of thousands of pounds just to hire out for one day. Southampton is pretty infamous for overselling their facilities and particularly how students get to use them in comparison to other unis. I remember seeing them advertising their little wind tunnels as a groundbreaking and unique opportunity but at my university which had slightly larger tunnels for more regular student use they weren't even worth a mention.

As for performance in Formula Student, they do well but there are plenty of universities which regularly do either similarly or better, most of which have already been mentioned.
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They definitely don't have the largest wind tunnel in Europe, and even if they did you aren't getting anywhere near to it as an undergraduate student because those things cost 10s of thousands of pounds just to hire out for one day. Southampton is pretty infamous for overselling their facilities and particularly how students get to use them in comparison to other unis. I remember seeing them advertising their little wind tunnels as a groundbreaking and unique opportunity but at my university which had slightly larger tunnels for more regular student use they weren't even worth a mention.

As for performance in Formula Student, they do well but there are plenty of universities which regularly do either similarly or better, most of which have already been mentioned.
They do have the largest wind tunnel in the UK, I knew it was either Europe or UK. I don't think you are a student at the university so I wouldn't go around and spread false information especially as your not studying at the university. Undergraduate students have the opportunity to use their wind tunnels especially for the 3rd and 4th year projects, and even for university competitions such as formula student as well.
The university are continually developing university in the formula student competition and have been improving ever since their inception. Further, the university does have strong links to F1, as I've mentioned most of the students in the formula student team go on and do placements. Even Adrain Newey (Chief Technical Officer at Red Bull) who arguably was a key factor for their F1 dominance studied the Aerodynamics course at the University.
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They do have the largest wind tunnel in the UK, I knew it was either Europe or UK. I don't think you are a student at the university so I wouldn't go around and spread false information especially as your not studying at the university. Undergraduate students have the opportunity to use their wind tunnels especially for the 3rd and 4th year projects, and even for university competitions such as formula student as well.
The university are continually developing university in the formula student competition and have been improving ever since their inception. Further, the university does have strong links to F1, as I've mentioned most of the students in the formula student team go on and do placements. Even Adrain Newey (Chief Technical Officer at Red Bull) who arguably was a key factor for their F1 dominance studied the Aerodynamics course at the University.
They have the largest university wind tunnel in the UK, however there are other institutions, some of which are university affiliated or otherwise public research institutions, which have larger ones. I don't study at Southampton but I've met students who have graduated from Southampton and have a pretty good idea of the situation.

Studying an aerodynamics MSc is a very different situation to an aerospace MEng. When the one thing you are studying is effectively wind tunnels and the rest is highly mathematical/CFD, then yes, you get more time with them.
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