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I don’t understand why no one wants to give accountability to people who commit crime if they’re black Americans. Sure, there are socio-economic factors in crime and those should be addressed but that doesn’t mean the individuals who choose to kill other people are off the hook
What do u mean black Americans are extremely overrepesented in prisons. Black people and black men especially are more likely to be found guilty for a crime than a white man and get way harsher sentences, simply cause they are black. Mass incarceration of the black community has been happening for decades has it stopped the problem, no. It's just left communities fatherless and increased poverty as now there is only one person able to work and provide for the family, continuing the cycle.
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What do u mean black Americans are extremely overrepesented in prisons. Black people and black men especially are more likely to be found guilty for a crime than a white man and get way harsher sentences, simply cause they are black. Mass incarceration of the black community has been happening for decades has it stopped the problem, no. It's just left communities fatherless and increased poverty as now there is only one person able to work and provide for the family, continuing the cycle.
The point I’m making is that you’re letting people off the hook, excusing criminality because there are injustices and inequalities in the US legal system. There needs to be a level of reform in the justice system and there needs to be economic development to provide opportunities to people in poor areas. However, this does not excuse people committing crime, particularly committing serious crime that disproportionately victimises other people in the same plight as you.

Crime is almost always attributable, to some degree, to some kind of external factor. Whether it’s poor, black, fatherless Americans with little opportunity or rich, white, Americans working on Wall Street. No matter what outside factors there may be people are responsible for their choices.
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The point I’m making is that you’re letting people off the hook, excusing criminality because there are injustices and inequalities in the US legal system. There needs to be a level of reform in the justice system and there needs to be economic development to provide opportunities to people in poor areas. However, this does not excuse people committing crime, particularly committing serious crime that disproportionately victimises other people in the same plight as you.

Crime is almost always attributable, to some degree, to some kind of external factor. Whether it’s poor, black, fatherless Americans with little opportunity or rich, white, Americans working on Wall Street. No matter what outside factors there may be people are responsible for their choices.
I'm not letting anyone of the hook, but crime isnt gonna seriously decrease in my community unless we adress the root cause of it, which is poverty and low opportunities.

This idea that black on black crime is the same as police brutality is ridiculous. The police are killing black people cause they are black. Black people are more likely to commit a crime against a black person cause black people tend to live in the same communities and areas, nothing to do with race. You're more likely to commit a crime against someone in you're community especially for violent crimes. It's the same for white peoples, asians, ect (funny how you never see anyone saying white on white crime needs to be stopped). Crime is crime, but unless we adress the issues that cause it, it will never stop. People make choices yes, but no one grows up wanting to be a hardened criminal, it's there situation that forces them into it. You'll never see a black middle class man with a degree turning to life of crime will you. No cause he has a supportive family, opportunities ect. Poverty has everything to do with it.
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I'm not letting anyone of the hook, but crime isnt gonna seriously decrease in my community unless we adress the root cause of it, which is poverty and low opportunities.
I agree but it still comes across very much as though you're saying that the people committing crime aren't really responsible, their circumstances are to blame.

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This idea that black on black crime is the same as police brutality is ridiculous. The police are killing black people cause they are black. Black people are more likely to commit a crime against a black person cause black people tend to live in the same communities and areas, nothing to do with race. You're more likely to commit a crime against someone in you're community especially for violent crimes. It's the same for white peoples, asians, ect (funny how you never see anyone saying white on white crime needs to be stopped). Crime is crime, but unless we adress the issues that cause it, it will never stop. People make choices yes, but no one grows up wanting to be a hardened criminal, it's there situation that forces them into it. You'll never see a black middle class man with a degree turning to life of crime will you. No cause he has a supportive family, opportunities ect. Poverty has everything to do with it.
Who said that black on black crime is the same as police brutality? You can't state as a fact that the police are killing black people because they are black, you don't have anywhere near the evidence required to make such a statement.

People don't talk about white on white crime in the same way because of the scale. The rate at which black people kill other black people (for example black people murdered per 100,000 by other black people) is significantly higher than the equivalent figure for whites.

So you think only poor people become criminals? Crime is influenced by a range of factors, economic wellbeing is one of them and family is another but there are plenty of people with money and decent families who commit crime. I'll say again, while external factors play a part we are all responsible for the decisions we make, you seem to want to alleviate people of responsibility because they had a difficult upbringing and live in poverty.
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https://www.newsweek.com/terry-crews...te-cnn-1515895


Terry Crews and Don Lemon Clash In Heated Black Lives Matter Debate



Terry Crews has clashed with CNN reporter Don Lemon over Black Lives Matter in a divisive debate about black on black violence and achieving equality.

The America's Got Talent host appeared on Monday night's show to discuss the backlash he has been receiving for his views on the movement, which have been heavily criticized.
On Saturday, Crews tweeted: "Are all white people bad? No. Are all black people good? No"

"Knowing this reality- I stand on my decision to unite with good people, no matter the race, creed or ideology. ... Given the number of threats against this decision-I also decide to die on this hill."

Addressing this stance, Lemon asked why it was so important that he "die on this hill."

https://youtu.be/lzR8x_jlGaI

He also touched on black on black violence and said there are neighborhoods "held hostage by people, who are literally running [them] with violence and then [claiming] that black lives matter."
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I agree but it still comes across very much as though you're saying that the people committing crime aren't really responsible, their circumstances are to blame.



Who said that black on black crime is the same as police brutality? You can't state as a fact that the police are killing black people because they are black, you don't have anywhere near the evidence required to make such a statement.

People don't talk about white on white crime in the same way because of the scale. The rate at which black people kill other black people (for example black people murdered per 100,000 by other black people) is significantly higher than the equivalent figure for whites.

So you think only poor people become criminals? Crime is influenced by a range of factors, economic wellbeing is one of them and family is another but there are plenty of people with money and decent families who commit crime. I'll say again, while external factors play a part we are all responsible for the decisions we make, you seem to want to alleviate people of responsibility because they had a difficult upbringing and live in poverty.
K, fine. I feel like u dont get what in saying. Of course black people murdered by other black is gonna be higher than white people as black people are more likely to live in poverty than white people.

Both black and white households that live in poverty are much more likely to be victims of crime, and are victims of crimes at similar rates (51.3 per 1,000 compared with 56.4 per 1,000, respectively). However as there are more poor black people compared to white people - White families have six times as much wealth as black families, and the poverty rate for black people (27.2 percent) is almost three times that of their white counterparts (9.6 percent) - more black people are gonna be victims of crime, most crimes are committed by people you know, most black people live in black communities.

Also 90 percent of African-American homicides were committed by other African Americans, while the majority (82 percent) of white American homicide victims were killed by other white people. Its not some massive disparity.

It has EVERYTHING to do with poverty. Yes people have choices and decisions but ultimately if the only route you have to make money and provide for you're family is crime, you're gonna turn to it. Yes rich people commit crimes but at a MUCH lower rate, and most of the time it is white collar and rarely are violent. For a lot of people crime is the only choice they have. I'm not trying to take away the blame from the criminal, but we must understand why people commit crime, to stop our future children from also going down a dark path.
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K, fine. I feel like u dont get what in saying. Of course black people murdered by other black is gonna be higher than white people as black people are more likely to live in poverty than white people.

Both black and white households that live in poverty are much more likely to be victims of crime, and are victims of crimes at similar rates (51.3 per 1,000 compared with 56.4 per 1,000, respectively). However as there are more poor black people compared to white people - White families have six times as much wealth as black families, and the poverty rate for black people (27.2 percent) is almost three times that of their white counterparts (9.6 percent) - more black people are gonna be victims of crime, most crimes are committed by people you know, most black people live in black communities.

Also 90 percent of African-American homicides were committed by other African Americans, while the majority (82 percent) of white American homicide victims were killed by other white people. Its not some massive disparity.

It has EVERYTHING to do with poverty. Yes people have choices and decisions but ultimately if the only route you have to make money and provide for you're family is crime, you're gonna turn to it. Yes rich people commit crimes but at a MUCH lower rate, and most of the time it is white collar and rarely are violent. For a lot of people crime is the only choice they have. I'm not trying to take away the blame from the criminal, but we must understand why people commit crime, to stop our future children from also going down a dark path.
As soon as you start using any reason whatsoever as an excuse, or a get out clause for criminality, that is when you go down a dark path.
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In the USA the most dangerous thing in the world to Democrats is an influential black person with an independent mind. That's why Lemon talked over him and tried to close him down.
Just watch how they will set their attack dogs in the MSM onto Kanye West if he does run.
Not because they think he will beat Creepy Joe, but because they only need to lose 15% of the black vote to anyone for them to be toast in November and the great orange one to win again.
I don’t think you know the difference between a leftist and a democrat
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Wow, is this really the view people hold about left-wing movements in this country? Propaganda has really taken ahold of a lot of people.
Well yeah because you cut your nose to spite your face. Most people on the Left will define people on the Right as racists but its usually the Left that will divide people by skin and gender. Everything has to be in groups like LGBTQ thus sub-grouping genders. Or empowering one skin colour over another which is actually racism. I tend to see people on the Left that says things like 'too many white people' or 'white men need to shut up' etc. Even though they are white themselves.

They tend to define people on that right as sexist or misogynistic yet they are willing to destroy womens lives that dont agree to their views. Such as JK Rowling. She had an opinion on trans. So the Left who claim to fight for womens rights started to dog-pile Rowling and burning Harry Potter books.

Its the Left that have utterly exposed themselves by not agreeing to Trump winning 2016 or the Eu Ref on the same year. They believe another vote should be in order. But that de-legitimises every other election in the past and future. They cant get over the fact that are a minority. They need to realise people dont care about genders or sex or religions etc. People just want to live, work and earn their keep and enjoy life essentially. They dont want radical change like defunding police or nationalising every sector etc.
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Well yeah because you cut your nose to spite your face. Most people on the Left will define people on the Right as racists but its usually the Left that will divide people by skin and gender. Everything has to be in groups like LGBTQ thus sub-grouping genders. Or empowering one skin colour over another which is actually racism. I tend to see people on the Left that says things like 'too many white people' or 'white men need to shut up' etc. Even though they are white themselves.

They tend to define people on that right as sexist or misogynistic yet they are willing to destroy womens lives that dont agree to their views. Such as JK Rowling. She had an opinion on trans. So the Left who claim to fight for womens rights started to dog-pile Rowling and burning Harry Potter books.

Its the Left that have utterly exposed themselves by not agreeing to Trump winning 2016 or the Eu Ref on the same year. They believe another vote should be in order. But that de-legitimises every other election in the past and future. They cant get over the fact that are a minority. They need to realise people dont care about genders or sex or religions etc. People just want to live, work and earn their keep and enjoy life essentially. They dont want radical change like defunding police or nationalising every sector etc.
And here’s proof:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/u...rs-russia.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...gns/348051002/

And Labour being pro Brexit in 2017:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39665835


https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upl...festo-2017.pdf


And Starmer changing the stance in 2019 (he was shadow Brexit secretary):

‘Starmer was a supporter of a second referendum on Brexit,[76] with this position becoming Labour Party policy in their 2019 general election manifesto’
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And here’s proof:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/u...rs-russia.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...gns/348051002/

And Labour being pro Brexit in 2017:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39665835


https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upl...festo-2017.pdf


And Starmer changing the stance in 2019 (he was shadow Brexit secretary):

‘Starmer was a supporter of a second referendum on Brexit,[76] with this position becoming Labour Party policy in their 2019 general election manifesto’
For the US/Russia thing I think you'll know a lot of countries will try to dab in on other countries affairs and elections. Whatever benefits them or if they are in favour with a certain party for the better or even worse. Even now you have a war going on but its a war on data and manipulation. For e.g US, Australia and India have banned TikTok on their digital services as its something that China mines data off and even sway peoples minds. Same with the Huawei thing as well.

There was hardly any Russian interference when it came to Sanders. That was just the democrats themselves using the same scare tactic. They didnt want Sanders to come close to winning. They hate sanders because he was an old-school socialist. Its what you call a Reds Under The Beds scare.

As for the UK you was always going to see flip-flopping in MP's but the difference between Labour & Con is that leaving the EU was on Con manifesto. So they have to do it. Otherwise it will be the biggest lie they have pulled. Labour doesnt have to do anything because its not on their manifesto but if the shoe was on the other foot things may have been different. But as of now the Tories do get it and they know whats at stake. Not leaving the EU this year will destroy the Tory party harder than it destroyed Labour.
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For the US/Russia thing I think you'll know a lot of countries will try to dab in on other countries affairs and elections. Whatever benefits them or if they are in favour with a certain party for the better or even worse. Even now you have a war going on but its a war on data and manipulation. For e.g US, Australia and India have banned TikTok on their digital services as its something that China mines data off and even sway peoples minds. Same with the Huawei thing as well.

There was hardly any Russian interference when it came to Sanders. That was just the democrats themselves using the same scare tactic. They didnt want Sanders to come close to winning. They hate sanders because he was an old-school socialist. Its what you call a Reds Under The Beds scare.

As for the UK you was always going to see flip-flopping in MP's but the difference between Labour & Con is that leaving the EU was on Con manifesto. So they have to do it. Otherwise it will be the biggest lie they have pulled. Labour doesnt have to do anything because its not on their manifesto but if the shoe was on the other foot things may have been different. But as of now the Tories do get it and they know whats at stake. Not leaving the EU this year will destroy the Tory party harder than it destroyed Labour.
I’m pointing out the difference between the two. Liberals and Leftists.


Sanders was a leftist who was discriminated by the liberal Democrat party.
Hence why him and his supporters were faced with such Opposition.
Look at some of his speeches, he doesn’t just focus on identity, he attempts to unify people. That’s a leftist position.


Corbyn is the same. He’s a leftist, and regardless of your opinion of him, he wanted the best. That’s why he didn’t go for the safe stance in 2017. He wanted to make Brexit a Labour stance and he paid the price for it. The rest of the Labour Party were liberals who wanted to keep it safe.

Leftists don’t like identity politics or and aren’t always for cancel culture, liberals on the other hand, are in favour of both usually.
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Obviously, all black lives matter, same as everyone else from all races.
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Leftists don’t like identity politics or and aren’t always for cancel culture, liberals on the other hand, are in favour of both usually.
Absolute nonsense.

Have you any evidence to suggest Liberals are in favour of cancel culture and identity politics?!

It's the hard/extreme Left that is favour of both.
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Leftists don’t like identity politics or and aren’t always for cancel culture, liberals on the other hand, are in favour of both usually.
You have your leftists and liberals mixed up here.

Yesterday, some of America's prominent liberals signed an open letter championing liberal values:

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-just...d-open-debate/

The only opposition to this came from the left flank.
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Yesterday, some of America's prominent liberals signed an open letter championing liberal values:

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-just...d-open-debate/

The only opposition to this came from the left flank.
"The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides."

"The way to defeat bad ideas is by exposure, argument, and persuasion, not by trying to silence or wish them away."

"We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other."

(my emphasis)

A direct attack on the recent intolerance from the left, mirroring the historic intolerance of the right.
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Absolute nonsense.

Have you any evidence to suggest Liberals are in favour of cancel culture and identity politics?!

It's the hard/extreme Left that is favour of both.
When I say liberals, I mean modern liberals.

The entire 4 years since Trump got in. It’s begun with the deplorable comment, then it continued with liberals cancelling Bernie and other leftists by calling them Russian bots.
Then there’s Bernie getting cancelled again for having controversial figures support him.


Now for the U.K,
Corbyn being ‘cancelled’ for making Labour Pro Brexit in 2017, causing a ton of members to join the Liberal Democrat’s.
Labour currently attempting to cancel the so called hard left and kicking them out of the party.
Rebecca Long Bailey getting cancelled for being ‘anti-Semitic’

The left also knows how it feels to be cancelled since they are now coming back into the mainstream, having been kept out by liberals for decades.
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When I say liberals, I mean modern liberals.

The entire 4 years since Trump got in. It’s begun with the deplorable comment, then it continued with liberals cancelling Bernie and other leftists by calling them Russian bots.
Then there’s Bernie getting cancelled again for having controversial figures support him.


Now for the U.K,
Corbyn being ‘cancelled’ for making Labour Pro Brexit in 2017, causing a ton of members to join the Liberal Democrat’s.
Labour currently attempting to cancel the so called hard left and kicking them out of the party.
Rebecca Long Bailey getting cancelled for being ‘anti-Semitic’

The left also knows how it feels to be cancelled since they are now coming back into the mainstream, having been kept out by liberals for decades.
You seem to conflate "cancel" with "voted out by the populace". The cancellations are by no means democratic or civilised. They are fuelled by a minority mob on an extreme political end with no due process.
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You seem to conflate "cancel" with "voted out by the populace". The cancellations are by no means democratic or civilised. They are fuelled by a minority mob on an extreme political end with no due process.
That’s cancel culture. The democrats repeatedly advocating for cancelling by instilling hate onto anyone who voted, supported or even was sympathetic for Trump.
Same with the Lib Dems. This isn’t exactly a leftist position either.
White fragility has been attacked by leftists for some time now.

https://twitter.com/drchanequa/statu...059598848?s=21

https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/sta...764751872?s=21

https://twitter.com/rheaboydmd/statu...422829058?s=21
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