I think he's built up so much political capital that he can afford to raise taxes without taking too much of a personal hit.

I also imagine they'll cloak tax rises in the language of 'it's time for us all to pay a little more to give our wonderful NHS and key workers what they deserve' etc.

Reply 163

DSilva

Original post by paul514

Yea with non conservatives, because he is just spend spend spend

Especially red wall former Labour voters. Typically they are socially conservative and left leaning economically.

Reply 164

Gundabad(good)

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Some awfully rich people are demanding that governments impose higher taxes on them.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/jul/13/super-rich-call-for-higher-taxes-on-wealthy-to-pay-for-covid-19-recovery

A letter signed by 83 super-rich people has been circulated demanding they be taxed properly to provide funds to tackle the aftermath of the Covid-19 pandemic crisis. The letter was organised by, amongst others, Tax Justice UK and Oxfam.

Globally, taxes on the very wealthy are the lowest since the 1930s and huge amounts of global wealth are hidden in tax havens. Many of these tax havens are British overseas territories.

We will all be facing deep economic recession and higher tax rates and we should return to the position in the 50s - 70s when the rich were taxed properly and society worked far better than it currently does.

I told you the rich were the best of us!

Reply 165

username4406682

Original post by DSilva

We'll see. I'm not sure any spiel about key workers will have value after things go back to normal, which is when tax rises will occur.

Reply 166

username1148663

Original post by LiberOfLondon

We'll see. I'm not sure any spiel about key workers will have value after things go back to normal, which is when tax rises will occur.

Of course it won’t and they aren’t people who want to vote for the party anyway

Reply 167

Susan Edelman

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have both in the past called for higher taxes on the wealthy.

Reply 168

Napp

Original post by Susan Edelman

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have both in the past called for higher taxes on the wealthy.

2 out of 607 isn't exactly a roaring majority in this instance.

Reply 169

username4406682

Original post by Susan Edelman

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have both in the past called for higher taxes on the wealthy.

I look forward to them writing out a cheque to HM Government.

Reply 170

Burton Bridge

Original post by LiberOfLondon

Good to hear it mate.

Any ideas what this week's lottery numbers are? :tongue:

Pmsl, maybe im not that good :biggrin:

Right now where was I....

Reply 171

Burton Bridge

Original post by DSilva

Of course you need to compromise on some things. But surely not to the point where you abandon your core principles and become essentially a blank canvas.

Parties should be seeking to persuade voters by setting out a compelling vision. Arguably the one time Labour have done that in the past 10 years was the 2017 election where they put on 3.5 million votes. And that imo was down to Labour putting out a compelling alternative, about public services and society generally. It even managed to persuade a fair chunk of 2015 Tory and UKIP voters to switch.

Starmer is clearly competent, and has his strengths. But, EU aside, what does he actually believe in?

Oh I agree with you 100%, my point was (sorry for late reply, I've been stupid busy.... dont ask lol) that the Tories are better at reading the public's mood and adopting to it. Its isn't about losing your core principles and becoming a blank canvas, on the contrary it's about conserving as much of your core principles as possible and compromising as least as possible. This is what the tories do, end of the day almost everything they do disproportionately benefits those with more money, the last few months shows this hasn't changed at all? While in the meantime labour do....mmm what exactly? Do you see?

Regarding 2017, the greatest achievement of the right is to convince almost everyone that it is socialism that has been rejected, it isnt and it wasn't. What was rejected was the dismissive attitude and incoherent Brexit (and insulting) policy by mmmm well Starmer was the shadow Brexit secretary!

What does KS believe in, who knows, does he know? I dont think he does. He's a like a fish that can change colour on the bottom of the sea to change into any situation.

Reply 172

Burton Bridge

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

All of your talk of traditional labour voters and traditional working class is little more than a racist dogwhistle. The working class now is heavily diverse, disproportionately BAME folk, particularly black people, and disproportionately LGBTQ folk. The idea that Labours core vote don't care about those identities and advocating for them only follows if you pretend that the working class is just white northerners, rather than actually a lot of young people in cities who've been divorced from any sort economic achievement by a long standing generational wealth transfer to the elderly.

Nonsense, utter and total rubbish, rather than try to close the conversation down let's open it up. There is absolutely zero racist about anything I said, now it was weeks ago and I'll be honest I don't know what I said because I've not fully reread the topic, however I can be 100% there is nothing racist because I dont have a racist thought in my brain. I campaign for equality, for opportunity for everyone, not just the few demographics you wish to pick and the screw others, you dont care about the poor, you only care about some if the poor. I seem to remember it was you that mentioned colour and derogatory terms, tankies and the middle class white men who want racism? And you call me prejudice? Do you know the meaning of the word?

Now let's start talking about what I am actually saying rather than what you would like me to be saying, shall we? It's always nice to actually tackle the actual points made because anyone can defeat fake strawmem. What I would have been saying is we should give everyone from all backgrounds a fair crack of the whip, people dont wish to be victims or pitied they want the same opportunity others have to make the best (in their eyes) of themselves, poverty is the key not colour, sexuality or gender. I never would have said this doesn't include "BAME folk" as you put it! Certainly never have I said it even thought Labours core vote don't care about those identities, so your nonsensical tripe about working class being just white northerners is just that, tripe! It speaks volumes about your thought process that you settle on such a wild conclusion based on what I've said.

So are we actually going to enter proper discussion? Throwing silly nonsense around to discredit and speak down to people isnt left wing, its abhorrent and part of the problem the left can do without and a major reason the tories currently have an 80 seat majority.