Russian Constitution changes to ban same-sex marriage, adoption

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The new constitution bans LGBT marriage and adoption. It also resets the clock on Putin's time in power.

https://apnews.com/74065448f5f264390496dba86b4d111c

The world seems to be going backwards these days.
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The new constitution bans LGBT marriage and adoption. It also resets the clock on Putin's time in power.

https://apnews.com/74065448f5f264390496dba86b4d111c

The world seems to be going backwards these days.
All widely expected. Be glad you dont live there.
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I wasnt aware it was allowed there in the first place?
I'm not sure you can accuse the Russians of going 'backwards' here though as this seems to simply codify what has been standard practice for a long time. After all, despite the effects of communism, Russia is a very religious and conservative country. To compare it to what goes on in the 'liberal west' is questionable. Nevermind gay rights are still a very novel thing here as well.
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(Original post by Daveological)
The new constitution bans LGBT marriage and adoption. It also resets the clock on Putin's time in power.

https://apnews.com/74065448f5f264390496dba86b4d111c

The world seems to be going backwards these days.
It’s their country to be run how they see fit.

Be thankful you don’t live there if you disagree with how it is run.
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I wasnt aware it was allowed there in the first place?
I'm not sure you can accuse the Russians of going 'backwards' here though as this seems to simply codify what has been standard practice for a long time. After all, despite the effects of communism, Russia is a very religious and conservative country. To compare it to what goes on in the 'liberal west' is questionable. Nevermind gay rights are still a very novel thing here as well.
I know, but putting it in the constitution makes it far more difficult to legalise in a more tolerant time.

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It’s their country to be run how they see fit.

Be thankful you don’t live there if you disagree with how it is run.
I am, but although this doesn't do anything fundamentally bad on its own, it doesn't bode well for LGBTQ+ Russians in the future.
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I know, but putting it in the constitution makes it far more difficult to legalise in a more tolerant time.
To avoid making comment on homosexuality, but as a general rule of thumb Russians tend to take a very dim view on it...
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The Russians are almost liberal compared to some
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Nigeria, Iraq, all have the death penalty for it.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/relatio...age-2017-52510
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The Russians are almost liberal compared to some
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Nigeria, Iraq, all have the death penalty for it.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/relatio...age-2017-52510
I'm aware but this is still not good.
(Only 12/36 Nigerian states have the death penalty by the way)
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I wasnt aware it was allowed there in the first place?
I'm not sure you can accuse the Russians of going 'backwards' here though as this seems to simply codify what has been standard practice for a long time. After all, despite the effects of communism, Russia is a very religious and conservative country. To compare it to what goes on in the 'liberal west' is questionable. Nevermind gay rights are still a very novel thing here as well.
Putin was always going to take Russia back 30 years ago politically.
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Putin was always going to take Russia back 30 years ago politically.
Still better than Yeltsin though
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Still better than Yeltsin though
I'd rather have a weak Russia than a strong one.
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I'd rather have a weak Russia than a strong one.
I imagine many of the Russians would tell you to eat **** for saying that. Telling them to live in absolute poverty indeed.
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I imagine many of the Russians would tell you to eat **** for saying that. Telling them to live in absolute poverty indeed.
Better then them hacking into our elections and poisoning our citizens.
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Better then them hacking into our elections and poisoning our citizens.
A curious use of the word 'our'.
Either way, i trust you are aware of our attempts to influence their politics no? Even if America is the primary culprit for subverting their democracy. Ironically enough under Mr Yeltsin.
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A curious use of the word 'our'.
Either way, i trust you are aware of our attempts to influence their politics no? Even if America is the primary culprit for subverting their democracy. Ironically enough under Mr Yeltsin.
Russia is bad. That's all I know.
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Russia is bad.
Not xenophobic at all.
That's all I know.
Very droll.
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Not xenophobic at all.

Very droll.
Russians aren't bad. It's their corrupt government lead by the autocrat know as Putin. Similar to China.
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Russians aren't bad. It's their corrupt government lead by the autocrat know as Putin. Similar to China.
Maybe so. Although to compare Putin, despite his numerous faults, to Xi misses the point that despite Russia's dubious democratic credentials he is nowhere near as bad as Xi.
One being authoritarian but still popularly elected, the other being an out and out dictator.
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Maybe so. Although to compare Putin, despite his numerous faults, to Xi misses the point that despite Russia's dubious democratic credentials he is nowhere near as bad as Xi.
One being authoritarian but still popularly elected, the other being an out and out dictator.
Putin still has majority support of the Russia people so fair enough to him, however he does control the media and the Russian oligarchs.
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Putin still has majority support of the Russia people so fair enough to him, however he does control the media and the Russian oligarchs.
Sort of controls media, the main channels answer to the Kremlin yes. There are a fair number of smaller independent outlets that regularly lob hand grenades at him though. although the broader point stands.
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