Black people are 10% of London’s population but are accused of 50% of violent crime

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Black people constitute 10% of the population of London, and in 2018 they constituted 10% of deaths in police custody.

In June 2010 (I’m struggling to find up to date stats) London metropolitan police service figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–2010 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 58 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[26]

That is ten percent of the population of London accounting for over 50% of accusations of violent crime.

Two questions:

1.) Why is there more hysteria about alleged police racism than there is over evident black criminality?
2.) bearing in mind black people are accused of over half London’s violent crime, and that the police are therefore dealing with the black population more often than any other ethnic group, how can black people constituting 10% of police custody deaths be deemed an indication of police anti-black racism? In comparison, white people constituted less than 40 % of accusations of violent crime, but 70% of those who died in police custody.
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Black people constitute 10% of the population of London, and in 2018 they constituted 10% of deaths in police custody.

In June 2010 (I’m struggling to find up to date stats) London metropolitan police service figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–2010 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 58 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[26]

That is ten percent of the population of London accounting for over 50% of accusations of violent crime.

Two questions:

1.) Why is there more hysteria about alleged police racism than there is over evident black criminality?
2.) bearing in mind black people are accused of over half London’s violent crime, and that the police are therefore dealing with the black population more often than any other ethnic group, how can black people constituting 10% of police custody deaths be deemed an indication of police anti-black racism? In comparison, white people constituted less than 40 % of accusations of violent crime, but 70% of those who died in police custody.
Because it’s much easier to blame the police in this country than it is to say we have a major issue with violent crime. Much easier to tackle what is a failing police force, than it is to be honest. Our police are not racist, they’re too weak. They solve 9% of crimes. Any other organisation would have been completely reformed by now.

London is a very specific case. Unfortunately, it is not racist when I say this, black people are more likely to find themselves in economic struggles, due to other factors than race. And then to top it all off while knife crime in London soars, the ‘Mayor’ cuts the police budget by £110 million while his staff budget climbs by 83%.
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It's sad how little people like you actually think
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It's sad how little people like you actually think
Well that adds precisely nothing to the conversation. Most of my post is statistical data released by the government which does not require any deep thinking on my part. I will happily hear your thoughts and interpretation of them.

As for my interpretation of the data (and I honestly found the stats quite disturbing) I Simply offered my honest initial thoughts as a conversation starter.
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Well that adds precisely nothing to the conversation. Most of my post is statistical data released by the government which does not require any deep thinking on my part. I will happily hear your thoughts and interpretation of them.

As for my interpretation of the data (and I honestly found the stats quite disturbing) I Simply offered my honest initial thoughts as a conversation starter.
It’s sad that that poster can’t deal with the truth. So much on this left wing liberal bandwagon.

Rather than admitting London has serious issues with crime, regardless of race we’ll just label the police racist instead because that’s easier.
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They solve 9% of crimes. Any other organisation would have been completely reformed by now.
Just out of interest, is that 9% figure based on conviction rates in court, cases submitted to CPS, arrests etc? I wasn't aware it was that low! Having said that it may take into account lots of minor offences where convictions could be unnecessary.

Reform definitely needed. One place to start is to ditch the police's remit with minor mal comms (online twitter posts etc) and pass all mental health jobs to specialist NHS teams (who are paid to deal with mental health patients anyway). Domestic incidents also major consumer of police resources, should have specialists teams for that too.
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(Original post by wheelbarrow-man)
Well that adds precisely nothing to the conversation. Most of my post is statistical data released by the government which does not require any deep thinking on my part. I will happily hear your thoughts and interpretation of them.

As for my interpretation of the data (and I honestly found the stats quite disturbing) I Simply offered my honest initial thoughts as a conversation starter.
Its the reaction of somebody that cant argue against your figures.
Its like the Dude in The Big Lebowski and his come back....."Yeah well.....that's just your opinion man."
Sometimes arguing with somebody on the left is like playing chess with a Pidgeon. You can be the best player in the world and they will just **** on the board, knock over all the pieces and strut around like they have won.
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In June 2010 (I’m struggling to find up to date stats) London metropolitan police service figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–2010 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 58 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[26]

Two questions:

1.) Why is there more hysteria about alleged police racism than there is over evident black criminality?
Isn't an accusation just someone pointing the finger? You know, like "Help help, there is a black man looking menacing over there. He must be up to no good!!!"

My question is what percentage of cautions or convictions are for black men? This is surely a more concrete measure?
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Just out of interest, is that 9% figure based on conviction rates in court, cases submitted to CPS, arrests etc? I wasn't aware it was that low! Having said that it may take into account lots of minor offences where convictions could be unnecessary.

Reform definitely needed. One place to start is to ditch the police's remit with minor mal comms (online twitter posts etc) and pass all mental health jobs to specialist NHS teams (who are paid to deal with mental health patients anyway). Domestic incidents also major consumer of police resources, should have specialists teams for that too.
But Sharon called me a tart on her timeline, I want her done in the crown court!
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But Sharon called me a tart on her timeline, I want her done in the crown court!
Need we say more?!
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These are the most recent I can find.

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Thanks for digging that up!

“Nationally, 3% of the population is black, 5% of murder victims are black and 13% of murder suspects are black.“

Interesting and disturbing at the same time.

With black people killing each other at a disproportionate rate, who should be being lectured that silence is violence?
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A similar phenomenon is observed in the US. Black lawyer Larry Elder accuses social handouts of the situation, particularly he mentions correlation between likelyhood of commiting crimes and growing up without father, stating that numbers of broken Black families increased dramatically after social handouts were given to Black mothers, provided there is no man in the house.

The question is, what causes the disproportion in the UK. Is it some local policy, or is it because a lot of these people have quite recently came from countries with very bad criminal records.


(Original post by wheelbarrow-man)

1.) Why is there more hysteria about alleged police racism than there is over evident black criminality?
I suppose you'll soon see here posts claiming those crimes are made up by racist police, and besides, Black people experience hardship Whites are unable to see or understand because they're White.


(Original post by wheelbarrow-man)
2.) bearing in mind black people are accused of over half London’s violent crime, and that the police are therefore dealing with the black population more often than any other ethnic group, how can black people constituting 10% of police custody deaths be deemed an indication of police anti-black racism? In comparison, white people constituted less than 40 % of accusations of violent crime, but 70% of those who died in police custody.
This reminds me of what I was told about two weeks ago. My buddy's family lives in Birmingham, they've experienced several threats and bandit attacks from POC people who repeatedly threatened to stab them and stole their things, while the worst thing that happened to them from White people were insults and 'Go home!' demands.
Recently their neighbour set their motorcycle on fire. Police refused to take action because the neighbor is Black, and they're afraid of racism investigation.
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But Sharon called me a tart on her timeline, I want her done in the crown court!
There would be more to story than Sharon calling her a name it usually be months of abuse from Sharon
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There would be more to story than Sharon calling her a name it usually be months of abuse from Sharon
With this kind of thing it's often just two people who are as bad as each other, constantly winding each other up and having a go. They use the police to try and teach the other one a lesson. In my view that isn't right, and isn't something we should be dealing with.
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Most likely due to unconscious bias and perceptions about black people being criminals. Police ought to receive implicit bias training.
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Most likely due to unconscious bias and perceptions about black people being criminals. Police ought to receive implicit bias training.
But black people are more likely to be involved in crime. That is not "bias" or "perception", it is simply acknowledging that institutional racism exists.
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Just out of interest, is that 9% figure based on conviction rates in court, cases submitted to CPS, arrests etc? I wasn't aware it was that low! Having said that it may take into account lots of minor offences where convictions could be unnecessary.

Reform definitely needed. One place to start is to ditch the police's remit with minor mal comms (online twitter posts etc) and pass all mental health jobs to specialist NHS teams (who are paid to deal with mental health patients anyway). Domestic incidents also major consumer of police resources, should have specialists teams for that too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44884113

Shocking really. What I find even more shocking however is that you’ve got an 11% rise in reported crimes. That is unbelievable, and absolutely not sustainable. This reiterates the point I always bleat on about. This is not a safe country. Crime is rife, and those statistics don’t include the ridiculous amount of anti social behaviour seen on a day to day basis.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44884113

Shocking really. What I find even more shocking however is that you’ve got an 11% rise in reported crimes. That is unbelievable, and absolutely not sustainable. This reiterates the point I always bleat on about. This is not a safe country. Crime is rife, and those statistics don’t include the ridiculous amount of anti social behaviour seen on a day to day basis.
It's fine, policing social media for wrongthink is still the more pressing priority!
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