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Funnily enough it wasn't the scathing indictment of Brexiteers that some people thought it was.
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For anyone with a spare hour, the report's on Guido Fawkes here.
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
Funnily enough it wasn't the scathing indictment of Brexiteers that some people thought it was.
Of course it isn't.

If you don't investigate for potential interference, you will not uncover evidence of interference.

The report is scathing towards the British Government and our intelligence services.

At best, considering Russia's historical ability to successfully infiltrate Britain and that the FSB have no qualms about murdering people in Britain, this looks like gross incompetence.

At worst, well, we should be very curious as to why The Conservative Party gets frequent large gifts from well connected Russians.
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
See title.

Funnily enough it wasn't the scathing indictment of Brexiteers that some people thought it was.
Absolutely rubbish. No juicy info to debate about for months to come.
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Not the outcome I expected but not good nevertheless.
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So basically we don't know if Russia interfered in our democracy because the government never bothered to find out. In fact, they didn't even bother to prepare for a potential attempt to do so. And what's most shocking is nobody even seems sure whose job it's supposed to be to protect us from interference. Nobody has been told to do it. Our intelligence agencies claim it's not their job and it's up to DCMS, but DCMS say it's not their problem either. Unbelievable.
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(Original post by Calibrated.)
Of course it isn't.

If you don't investigate for potential interference, you will not uncover evidence of interference.

The report is scathing towards the British Government and our intelligence services.

At best, considering Russia's historical ability to successfully infiltrate Britain and that the FSB have no qualms about murdering people in Britain, this looks like gross incompetence.

At worst, well, we should be very curious as to why The Conservative Party gets frequent large gifts from well connected Russians.
Given that the referendum was in 2016 and the Salisbury murders occured in 2018, I'm curious as to why you think the gov't should have been prompted by Salisbury to investigate the referendum?
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Well not really. Bear in mind the evidence for this report was give over a year ago. A lot has happened since then. In the last 20-30 years we have had it really good. The cold war is long gone and nothing bad happens any more. It is only in the last few years that the world has lost its mind and allowed / elected world domination based leaders to prevail.
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(Original post by Captain Haddock)
So basically we don't know if Russia interfered in our democracy because the government never bothered to find out. In fact, they didn't even bother to prepare for a potential attempt to do so. And what's most shocking is nobody even seems sure whose job it's supposed to be to protect us from interference. Nobody has been told to do it. Our intelligence agencies claim it's not their job and it's up to DCMS, but DCMS say it's not their problem either. Unbelievable.
I've always found these claims against Russia to be more than a little dishonest. Given not only our historical policies towards the Bear in the east but to numerous other countries.. Pots and kettles and all that.
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The interference is probably coming via Russians in Israel. Most of the engineers working in Israeli intelligence are actually Russian and that is where the backdooring of western critical infrastructure is coming from. Essentially this is the ability to penetrate deep in to the core of any given computer. Nobody can touch the teams of Russians working at Israels Unit 8200.
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The interference is probably coming via Russians in Israel. Most of the engineers working in Israeli intelligence are actually Russian and that is where the backdooring of western critical infrastructure is coming from. Essentially this is the ability to penetrate deep in to the core of any given computer. Nobody can touch the teams of Russians working at Israels Unit 8200.
By all means spout a crackpot conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence, "Eddie".
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By all means spout a crackpot conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence, "Eddie".

https://www.academia.edu/35033566/Br...gh_Court_Notes
https://mega.nz/file/x6hDWYaR#GOaK-T...O8btzYYG7b6XkI
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A youtube video from an unknown entity is not evidence...
Neither is a high court case file, unless youd like to actually point to the bit you're referencing - no one wasting time reading over 200 pages of it - least of all on some racist irrelevant blogger.
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A youtube video from an unknown entity is not evidence...
Neither is a high court case file, unless youd like to actually point to the bit you're referencing - no one wasting time reading over 200 pages of it - least of all on some racist irrelevant blogger.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/17/israel-soviet-immigrants-transform-country

https://www.timesofisrael.com/fbi-so...uld-be-killed/
https://observer.com/2015/01/borscht...ca-for-russia/
http://www.spc.rs/eng/russian_pilgri...triarch_kirill
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...ee-trade-zone/
https://theweek.com/articles/562830/...e-from-america
https://spectator.org/an-emerging-al...ia-and-israel/
https://www.jta.org/2007/11/06/israe...vest-in-russia
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Why are you dumping links from that youtube video at me ? Especially ones which don't serve to further your point. Russia's relationship with both Tehran and Tel-Aviv being well known.
Equally why are you trying to paint Russian emigres to Israel as not but a fifth column? A patently moronic assertion.
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14 Conservative ministers have received donations from Russians.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ssia-2hm5jhwpx

Anyone who thinks they are donating to The Conservatives out of the goodness of their hearts and not because they want anything in return is insanely naive.
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(Original post by Kitten in boots)
14 Conservative ministers have received donations from Russians.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ssia-2hm5jhwpx

Anyone who thinks they are donating to The Conservatives out of the goodness of their hearts and not because they want anything in return is insanely naive.
And we're going to pretend Labour MP's didn't support Russia immediately after Salisbury...
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And we're going to pretend Labour MP's didn't support Russia immediately after Salisbury...
Are you really so blinded by your party political bias that your immediate thought is "but Labour..."?
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(Original post by LiberOfLondon)
And we're going to pretend Labour MP's didn't support Russia immediately after Salisbury...
Always going to Whatboutism. We're talking about the Russia report, it doesn't even involve Labour.
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14 Conservative ministers have received donations from Russians.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ssia-2hm5jhwpx

Anyone who thinks they are donating to The Conservatives out of the goodness of their hearts and not because they want anything in return is insanely naive.
Isn't that why anyone donates to a party? Be it cash for honours or trying to slip your dodgy building plans through under the wire.

It does seem more than a touch xenophobic to brand anything to do with Russians as inherently bad though.
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