Coronavirus: Disproportionate number of BAME people fined

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or Bournemouth beaches or 250 miles to Durham? and testing their eyes in a 60 mile round in a car! I love the unbelievable racism thinking in your post. lol.
The funniest thing about the Bournemouth thing was that there were parties held by the "black" community in London at the same time...the parties in London were quickly broken up and disbanded by the police. Riot police were sent in to close it down...meanwhile thousands of "white" folk were laying on beaches around the country and nothing was being done about it...not one police man in sight.
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The funniest thing about the Bournemouth thing was that there were parties held by the "black" community in London at the same time...the parties in London were quickly broken up and disbanded by the police. Riot police were sent in to close it down...meanwhile thousands of "white" folk were laying on beaches around the country and nothing was being done about it.
Yep. And it was duly noted by many black people i am sure!
Some people will still tell us that these things are purely coincidental!
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No , these are just your anecdotal observations. Check out national published data. It is widely known and published that black people are far more likely to be stopped than white people in every area of the country!
No there other factors like high knife crime commit by young working males in the area when it reported it young men of working class backgrounds. In the area their are less young white males than black but they are stop just as much per head of population.
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No there other factors like high knife crime commit by young working males in the area when it reported it young men of working class backgrounds. In the area their are less young white males than black but they are stop just as much per head of population.
Not true. Contradict me with published government data if you can. Your opinions are not the point here!
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Yep. And it was duly noted by many black people i am sure!
Some people will still tell us that these things are purely coincidental!
Deep inside, I think most people know that there is a systematic and systemic racism in this country as well as many others across the globe. This racism is not exclusive to any particular race of people. Many groups seem to suffer from it to varying degrees. Ideologies from both sides of the political spectrum heavily promote it, often in violent, highly shameful and despicable ways.

This is purely my own opinion, which is based on my own observations. racism, no matter where and how it rears its ugly head, it has one thing in common. It correlates directly with a lack of morality. The greater the separation between religion and the state, the more secular a society/culture, the more it suffers from racism.
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Not true. Contradict me with published government data if you can. Your opinions are not the point here!
Have you look at social class been in the care system abuse as a child their the biggest social factors to commit a crime or being stopped.
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The funniest thing about the Bournemouth thing was that there were parties held by the "black" community in London at the same time...the parties in London were quickly broken up and disbanded by the police. Riot police were sent in to close it down...meanwhile thousands of "white" folk were laying on beaches around the country and nothing was being done about it...not one police man in sight.
That's not entirely an accurate explanation. The illegal parties in London fall under the Metropolitan Police's remit, who have 30,000 officers and a whole host of specialist departments (Territorial Support Group for example). Bournemouth beach falls under Dorset Police's remit, who have just 1200 officers and are incredibly limited with specialist resources. The disparity in resourcing is more the reason - the Met have the capability to enforce the lockdown rules far better than Dorset. I would imagine Dorset would have only had ~20 response officers (shockingly low alike most county forces) on duty and thus were largely powerless to clear an entire beach.

Typically, people turn this into a race-war as opposed to looking for other reasons. There is no evidence that the Met shut the parties down purely because most of those in attendance were black. Yet there is evidence that the Met had the resources and Dorset did not.
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the Met have the capability to enforce the lockdown rules far better than Dorset.
And yet they were still utterly hopeless.

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Yes that was a piss-poor decision to allow that. I was on a police Reddit page a few weeks back and there wasn't one good word from officers about the gathering. Far too much of a PR stunt which majorly back-fired.

My point was that the Met have the capability to enforce the lockdown rules. Whether they utilise that capability is another matter. They took the justifed decision to shut down these 'block parties' which have been a breeding ground for drug dealing and violent crime amongst youths, which were occuring on a near-nightly basis. Even if you remove the Covid element, the block parties are far more a problem as opposed to people sitting on a beach.

Turning this into a 'Dorset allows whites, Met shut down blacks' debate is simply wrong. There are many logistical reasons which can explain the disparity in response which don't hark back to racial grounds.
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Yes that was a piss-poor decision to allow that. I was on a police Reddit page a few weeks back and there wasn't one good word from officers about the gathering. Far too much of a PR stunt which majorly back-fired.

My point was that the Met have the capability to enforce the lockdown rules. Whether they utilise that capability is another matter. They took the justifed decision to shut down these 'block parties' which have been a breeding ground for drug dealing and violent crime amongst youths, which were occuring on a near-nightly basis. Even if you remove the Covid element, the block parties are far more a problem as opposed to people sitting on a beach.

Turning this into a 'Dorset allows whites, Met shut down blacks' debate is simply wrong. There are many logistical reasons which can explain the disparity in response which don't hark back to racial grounds.
It would have back-fired if anyone was held to account, but as usual nothing came of it. Commissioner "Shoot the Brazilian" **** is still avoiding the blame as she does best.

It is obvious to anyone with common sense why they didn't close down the beaches or the BLM protests, it just isn't feasible to move that many people safely.
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Have you look at social class been in the care system abuse as a child their the biggest social factors to commit a crime or being stopped.
Not true. You must surely get some published government data at some point to present your arguments otherwise these are just your anecdotal experiences or simply your opinions!
"For white people, 30.5% of searches resulted in further action, for Asian people 27.8%, and for black people lower still, at 26.7%, according to Dr Krisztián Pósch, from the London School of Economics, who analysed the figures for the Guardian. He said there was a racial effectiveness gap in the searches carried out in 2018 by the Met: “The data shows that police are not just stopping black people more disproportionately, but are less likely to detect crime when they do compared to when they stop white people.” Please get informed rather than repeating standards phrases which are not always true at all!
Try taking some time to read this link:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019...n-black-people
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Yes that was a piss-poor decision to allow that. I was on a police Reddit page a few weeks back and there wasn't one good word from officers about the gathering. Far too much of a PR stunt which majorly back-fired.

My point was that the Met have the capability to enforce the lockdown rules. Whether they utilise that capability is another matter. They took the justifed decision to shut down these 'block parties' which have been a breeding ground for drug dealing and violent crime amongst youths, which were occuring on a near-nightly basis. Even if you remove the Covid element, the block parties are far more a problem as opposed to people sitting on a beach.

Turning this into a 'Dorset allows whites, Met shut down blacks' debate is simply wrong. There are many logistical reasons which can explain the disparity in response which don't hark back to racial grounds.
No there aren't. You are just making value judgements to try to exonerate the police of possible charges of bias or racism. I suppose there are many "logistical" reasons why the police are far more likely across the entire country to issue black people with Corona penalty charges than white people.
This stuff, if you research black community general opinion, does not convince many black people that the police are to be trusted.
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No there aren't. You are just making value judgements to try to exonerate the police of possible charges of bias or racism. I suppose there are many "logistical" reasons why the police are far more likely across the entire country to issue black people with Corona penalty charges than white people.
This stuff, if you research black community general opinion, does not convince many black people that the police are to be trusted.
They can’t be fined if they aren’t doing something that is worth finding under the law.

Bore off
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For the second video especially, I don’t think there’s any circumstance which could justify the manner in which that was carried out by police, given there were at least 5 officers there, with one repeatedly punching the man’s head, very easily causing the man to suffer severe head injuries.
What if said man had just been beating up a baby? Point being, it is dubious to level any kind of judgement when we dont know the context this video not exactly giving much.
I think the entire system of ‘stop and search’ is flawed and it was designed in a way that would unfairly target ethnic minorities, so I don’t agree with it. Also I would want clarification on what constituted ‘reasonable grounds’ because the only grounds that someone should be publicly stopped by police and frisked down is if the police had proper evidence that the person was carrying a weapon or something illegal, not the person fitting the vague description of “a black man in a hoodie”, which could as well mean searching 60% of black men in London.
If minorities didnt insist on committing knife crime in the cities it wouldnt be such an issue.. after all the police exist to protect the city at large not to pander to people being miffed about statistics, no? I find it hard to believe if there was a spike in knife crime from people carrying weapons and not being challenged on it you wouldnt be upset about this? Especially as its minorities who suffer the attacks, broadly. To take another example, if you see a group of shady looking people in the doorway evidently distributing something you think they shouldnt be searched because there is no proof theyre doing anything illegal? A key bit of policing is intuition.
Well if they had that it wouldnt be stop and search they would simply be arrested..
So, by your logic, if someone is mugged the police should ignore it because they cant look for the suspect without being "racist"?

Forgive me, but this silly sentimental approach to law and order completely defeats the point of protecting the public and would be utterly unfit for service.
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No there other factors like high knife crime commit by young working males in the area when it reported it young men of working class backgrounds. In the area their are less young white males than black but they are stop just as much per head of population.
Sorry, you must be new around here. Let me run you through a couple of things.


Knife crime issues in the black community dont exist according to MGI. It’s all a fix up. All lies. Black people in London don’t commit any crimes at all. And don’t bother finding statistics because firstly, MGI will just say they’re made up, but secondly he can’t interpret them anyway.

In short, just don’t bother. He’s probably the biggest troll on this place, or at least, the poster in the most denial.
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Sorry, you must be new around here. Let me run you through a couple of things.


Knife crime issues in the black community dont exist according to MGI. It’s all a fix up. All lies. Black people in London don’t commit any crimes at all. And don’t bother finding statistics because firstly, MGI will just say they’re made up, but secondly he can’t interpret them anyway.

In short, just don’t bother. He’s probably the biggest troll on this place, or at least, the poster in the most denial.
You just need to deal with facts not waste your time on dishing out ineffective slanderous abuse. What's with your racism? It's not a substitute for cogent argument. Black lives matter.
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They can’t be fined if they aren’t doing something that is worth finding under the law.

Bore off
That's the point! Of course they can be fined without good cause! Of course they can be racially profiled. What makes you assume that police officers are not capable of racially profiling people?
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Sorry, you must be new around here. Let me run you through a couple of things.


Knife crime issues in the black community dont exist according to MGI. It’s all a fix up. All lies. Black people in London don’t commit any crimes at all. And don’t bother finding statistics because firstly, MGI will just say they’re made up, but secondly he can’t interpret them anyway.

In short, just don’t bother. He’s probably the biggest troll on this place, or at least, the poster in the most denial.
Preach!
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That's the point! Of course they can be fined without good cause! Of course they can be racially profiled. What makes you assume that police officers are not capable of racially profiling people?
They are capable everyone is!

The idea they do it on mass is laughable!

People need to tell people like you to grow up
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Sorry, you must be new around here. Let me run you through a couple of things.


Knife crime issues in the black community dont exist according to MGI. It’s all a fix up. All lies. Black people in London don’t commit any crimes at all. And don’t bother finding statistics because firstly, MGI will just say they’re made up, but secondly he can’t interpret them anyway.

In short, just don’t bother. He’s probably the biggest troll on this place, or at least, the poster in the most denial.
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