McCain vs. Obama

The situation with China and its ever strengthening economy. In this case I agree with both Obama and McCain. Obama proposes enforcing all standing trade agreements with China and instigating new agreements, McCain purposes strengthening the military which would in my opinion enable enforcement of trade agreements.

Well firstly I am English and therefore have no vote in this, his internal policies are less likely to affect me than his foreign policy.

Obama's policy of negotiation seems to lack substance, its all well and good on paper, but as highlighted by Iraq and Saddam Hussien people dont always play ball.

McCain on the other hand has stated that the situation in Iran is unacceptable and could threaten the safety of surrounding countries and the Western World. He has stated that he would instigate military action if required. His position is very much military action as a secondary course of action if negotiation fails. Obama hasnt come forward to say this and hides behind negotiations, which throughout history have failed.

McCain believes that the war in Iraq was poorly managed, he believes that troops are required to slowly hand power back to the Iraqi people. Obama on the other hand wishes to form a staged withdrawal with immediate affect as shown by his support of the Iraq De-escalation Act that aimed to have all troops out of Iraq by March this year. This will in my opinion would just make the problem worse as there are too many conflicting parties in the arena.

Iraq and Afghanistan are long term commitments to protect both the Western World and the citizens of the middle east.

The situation with China and its ever strengthening economy. In this case I agree with both Obama and McCain. Obama proposes enforcing all standing trade agreements with China and instigating new agreements, McCain purposes strengthening the military which would in my opinion enable enforcement of trade agreements.

Both chat **** to be honest. Trying to gain energy independence etc etc

America uses 20million ish barrels of oil each day. The highest in the world. China despite have a population 4 times of that of America uses some 7million /day...the UK uses 1.2m/day

Here is a breakdown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_use_in_the_United_States#Current_consumption

They need to concentrate of energy efficiency to lower the amount they use.

$1000 oil barrels please.
china is stronger than america, strengthening americas army is silly, china would still dfeat it and it would probably destroy the earth.

"our economy is failing, let's spend money on our army!1!"
Energy prices are increasing what do we do? "drill baby drill"

bush's third term basically..

obama on the other hand want's to change americas economy infa structure.

By taxing at the top of the chain, this will effect everybody but the people at the bottom of the pyramid will come off worse.

By taxing at the top of the chain, this will effect everybody but the people at the bottom of the pyramid will come off worse.

The definition of a capitialist country is a very loose one i.e one based on property rights and primarily on free market principles. (Note that the lack of a firm consensual definition of capitalism/true scotsman is the root of this fallacy.)

I doubt he'll be living long enough to survive it and judging by what I've read about her should she be president America's going to be ****ed. Amongst many other things she belongs to a particularly bat***** insane church assembly who speak in tongues

I cant believe you just compared abortion to infanticide! They are not equal! This is exactly why religion shouldn't mix with politics.

An early stage fetus is not self aware, it is a bunch of cells rapidly dividing

Alternet is about as reliable and unbiased as Pravda. Not sure what it says about people who take it as Gospel, just because it says whatever they want to believe.

I think it was best summed up on Mock the Week last night, she makes Bush look like an informed progressive.

On the infanticide issue: arguments were presented which would support infanticide, without making any credible argument against. That is clearly what I object to.

It clearly is alive, that much is biological fact; as for a bunch of cells, what do you think you are?

There are no credible arguments for it. The early fetus is not concious, it is not even aware of its existence, it is merely a bunch of cells, just like the skin cells, etc.

Why? We force people to look after their children once they are born.

No we don't, children can be given away for adoption. You cant force people to look after a child. And adoption is hardly the best option for the reasons someone else has already stated. There is also no certainty that a child will get adopted, if abortion was made illegal then the pressures on child care will rise significantly but the demand for adopting kids will stay the same. It is a very bad option. Fair enough if people are against abortion but if other people want to abort their child then they have every right to.

Seriously, if this is the level of argument you're going to present, then there's not really much point even discussing the issue.

The same can be said about you.