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A241 – Referendum Amendment 2020
Proposed by: JMR2020(Lab)
Seconded by: 04MR17 (CP), The Mogg (Libber), Snazzy Viking (LD), Bailey14 (Lab), 5ATB (Lab)

That the Guidance Document be amended as follows.


7) No more than 1 referendum may be called in a single term of parliament.

Shall be amended to

7) No more than one referendum may be called in a single term of parliament, excepting a referendum in which there is more than a single round, in which case all rounds will be seen as part of the same referendum

a) That any referendum in which there is more than one round must be presented in a single bill.
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Aye, this provides clarity in the Guidance Document.
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Must be said that I don't personally think 2 votes on the same issue should've been considered 2 referenda anyway - since the only real reason for it is our lack of ability to do a 2 round vote on TSR, but yep this provides appropriate clarification and would allow us to just debate the referendum itself, not whether the GD blocks us from doing it properly.
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Your English teacher should be very upset
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I think multi-round referendums will only induce voter fatigue so nay.
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Perfectly reasonable.
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Nope! We don't need referendum fatigue. The author has already demonstrated they silly multiple referendums.
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I don't really like the word 'excepting' (which apparently exists but come on). I also am concerned that far fewer voters would end up voting the second time.
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(Original post by Theloniouss)
I don't really like the word 'excepting' (which apparently exists but come on). I also am concerned that far fewer voters would end up voting the second time.
You say far fewer as if there would be many the first time round...

Referendums are ultimately just in house votes that people pretend drives engagement.
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A sensible amendement that clears things up. Aye.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
You say far fewer as if there would be many the first time round...

Referendums are ultimately just in house votes that people pretend drives engagement.
Never done one have I? Anyway, I still think those who did engage the first time would be less engaged the second.
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The most pressing matter here is my title of a "Libber", since when were we the Libbertarians?
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Hmm maybe.
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Aye seems proper to me.
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aye makes things more clear
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It's not amazingly well-written but I support the spirit.
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I remain of the opinion that multi-question referendums should take place concurrently, not be spread out over even more of term.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Your English teacher should be very upset
Why?
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I encourage members to consider this Amendment as separate to the bill proposed.

It is perfectly legitimate to oppose the bill calling for a referendum in the way that it does, whilst also supporting this amendment that clarifies an ambiguity in the GD.
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Why?
7 a, what's the "that" doing there?

Also the amendment is poorly written for what it wants to do, the way it is written you can have multiple referendums per term as long as only one is a single round referendum.

I say multiple referendums because there is an argument to have over what "excepting a referendum in which there is more than a single round,". Does the "a" mean that there can only be one such referendum or does it just mean any referendum that meets the criteria, if the former then it's max 2 per term, if the latter than there is no cap as long as only one is single round.

The amendment is quite obviously rushed, you can tell for how awfully written it is.
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