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I think it would have been fairer if teachers had submitted evidence for their predictions to the SQA which could then have been marked and assessed to see whether the predicted grade was accurate.

Clearly the way the downgrading took place based on factors that were totally out of students' control was unfair, but I'm not convinced that awarding grades that have clearly been over-estimated in many cases is fair either.
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With the student and media outcry of the Scots last week, who knows Ofqual and the English Govt. might bow down to the pressure.
I really hope so😥
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Surely Ofqual have to follow? Scottish students will compete with english students and that won’t be fair if the english students were downgraded and the scottish not.
I've started a separate discussion about what the rest of the UK should do here.
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Wow would this happen for the A levels too??
I actually think not- if this happens in England, especially a week after results day, it will cause chaos in terms of uni places/clearing etc.

If it does happen, I wouldn't expect unis to necessarily have to honour the new results.
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Tbh i would be pretty annoyed about this if I was a previous years SQA student
This does seem to downgrade what the higher grades in this years cohort are worth

The system is meant to categorise people based on their ability (or in this year's case their projected ability), the merits of such a system is a different debate but that is how it currently works. As such you will unfortunately always have people who don't achieve what they wanted, this happens every year and every year there are a minority that complain about it. I don't really see why this year's complaints held anymore water for the sqa u-turn to have occurred. I sympathise with people's frustration about this situation but they are not the only cohort we need to consider, year 12s and year 10s who have missed a lot of teaching time are disadvantaged already, I can understand why people who are going to uni next year are worried about having to compete with deferrals from this year who may potentially have much higher grades.

There is now the issue of scottish students being at an advantage in english universities applications if a-levels do not follow suit, in a more ideal scenario the sqa upgrading would not have happened.
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If you think this is a good idea then read this report about A Levels (note not SQA); if you still think it's a good idea then I'd love to hear why.

https://www.ucu.org.uk/media/8409/Pr...rt_Dec2016.pdf
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this year is a total farce- how are anyones grades valid now? I feel like any A's, even if you would have got that, are just going to be seen as pandering because of this ruling
do you guys think unis will look more at Advanced Highers to sort the men from the boys so to speak?
Exactly! If everybody has an A, nobody has one. The point of these examinations is to distinguish between able candidates? If everyone does equally well, there's not really any point...

I have no idea about Advanced Highers though - I'm in England! All I have to worry about is the people getting A levels this year who are planning on deferring entry... and if all of my 9s at GCSE suddenly become worthless because everyone has them. :cry:
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Doesn’t this reversal just prove that you can never please everyone?
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I'm much more skeptical actually. There is no indication that Ofqual will make a similar decision. They can, but it shouldn't be relied upon to happen when you're thinking about your decisions and next steps.
Do you think the same will happen for GCSEs? I don’t think it’s likely but I’m curious nonetheless 🧐
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Exactly! If everybody has an A, nobody has one. The point of these examinations is to distinguish between able candidates? If everyone does equally well, there's not really any point...

I have no idea about Advanced Highers though - I'm in England! All I have to worry about is the people getting A levels this year who are planning on deferring entry... and if all of my 9s at GCSE suddenly become worthless because everyone has them. :cry:
yeah exactly!! unbelievable
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Exactly! If everybody has an A, nobody has one. The point of these examinations is to distinguish between able candidates? If everyone does equally well, there's not really any point...

I have no idea about Advanced Highers though - I'm in England! All I have to worry about is the people getting A levels this year who are planning on deferring entry... and if all of my 9s at GCSE suddenly become worthless because everyone has them. :cry:
I know what you mean. I feel glad for the kids that worked hard and had got unfairly downgraded, but there are so many who put in little to no effort and they are getting the grades for what feels like free. All the work you put in is suddenly mopped away. I hope it doesn’t happen in GCSEs if I’m honest
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cant trust anything any politician says
what was it nicola sturgeon was going on about last week? talking about the issue of credibility if you upgraded everyone. what happened to that lol
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cant trust anything any politician says
what was it nicola sturgeon was going on about last week? talking about the issue of credibility if you upgraded everyone. what happened to that lol
Feels to me like they're essentially putting two fingers up to the angry students and saying "You don't like it? Fine, have it your way."
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Well done scotland... you have managed to make grades useless for a year of students.

well not really - because employers won't remember which year this was in 5-10 years time, so what really has just happened is a whole cohort of students were just unfiarly given grades that they didn't deserved.. because the scottish goverment is incompetant and scared.

That's not to say the last crack at it was perfect... going based on school location was always a stupid thing... but instead of just scrapping and going with teachers grades, which we all know - and are provably - way to high... they should have taken a second crack and moderating the system slightly, but by a fairer metric then the wealth of your schools area.

Its amazing how weak and lacking in authority/confidence our goverments are... a few complaining students is enough to make them all terrified..
The whole cohort don't deserve the grades they've been given?
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Feels to me like they're essentially putting two fingers up to the angry students and saying "You don't like it? Fine, have it your way."
So you think it was fairer to fail students with basically no option of resitting the exams ever? We don't really have a resit culture in Scotland at all and resitting Advanced Highers in many subjects (such as sciences) is almost impossible.
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So you think it was fairer to fail students with basically no option of resitting the exams ever? We don't really have a resit culture in Scotland at all and resitting Advanced Highers in many subjects (such as sciences) is almost impossible.
They should've offered October resits instead, like England.
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So you think it was fairer to fail students with basically no option of resitting the exams ever? We don't really have a resit culture in Scotland at all and resitting Advanced Highers in many subjects (such as sciences) is almost impossible.
I think it would have been fairer to change the algorithm, reduce the emphasis on historic data and give the teacher-assessed grades a higher weighting in the system while still moderating the results overall.
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Big news from John Swinney just announced folks.

- All downgraded awards will be withdrawn

- Awards that were downgraded will be issues solely according to teacher estimates.


See here, approximately 15:16 ish
https://www.scottishparliament.tv/

The BBC has an article on the story here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53740588


There's a thread up here to discuss whether you think the same should happen in the rest of the UK.

If you received a notification for this post it's because you've previously posted in the SQA discussion and help forum.
All upgraded awards should be changed as well. Not fair to get better grades than teacher predictions. It works both ways
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They should've offered October resits instead, like England.
I was hoping for it as well.
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Flipping heck, a 13.7% increase in the pass rate for Advanced Highers compared to the 2019 results
What it like on a year by year basis Other than 2020?
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