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The Scottish government have today announced they'll be withdrawing all grades for students who were given grades on results day that were below their teacher predictions.

See here for the BBC's news article on this.

Whilst there's a separate thread here to discuss this decision, I wanted to ask whether you think England, Wales and Northern Ireland are now expected to do something similar if Thursday demonstrates similar patterns of "downgrading" students based on data from previous schools results? :holmes:

Is this something you want to see happen?
Do you think it realistically will?

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Update: DfE confirms that they will not be doing a u-Turn similar to the Scottish government.

Update 2: Scrap the above, 4 hours was apparently too long to expect consistency in policy. New thread here with updates on what we currently do and don't know about a new policy regarding mock grades and appeals.
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Could you add a poll to this thread, please?
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will be interesting if it does happen. i don't think it will. a little part of me would like it to happen but i know it'll be unfair
the method used this year for moderation of distribution i don't really agree with though
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Will it happen? One word : no
Should it happen? : remains to be seen the actual impact on lower socioeconomic groups in England and Wales and Northern Ireland
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(Original post by 04MR17)
The Scottish government have today announced they'll be withdrawing all grades for students who were given grades on results day that were below their teacher predictions.

See here for the BBC's news article on this.

Whilst there's a separate thread here to discuss this decision, I wanted to ask whether you think England, Wales and Northern Ireland are now expected to do something similar if Thursday demonstrates similar patterns of "downgrading" students based on data from previous schools results? :holmes:

Is this something you want to see happen?
Do you think it realistically will?

Post below with your thoughts.
English student arriving from the Scotland thread!

I think it just devalues the grades. Especially as England already has a ranking system, so it should all be fairer here?

Also, it's just really unfair for next year? If the Scotland fiasco happens in England too, we'll all be competing against people with amazing grades which they don't necessarily deserve (in lots of cases - probably at least 12% of that 13.7%).


If everybody has an A, nobody has one. The point of these examinations is to distinguish between able candidates? If everyone does equally well, there's not really any point...

At least all I have to worry about is the people getting A levels this year who are planning on deferring entry... and if all of my 9s at GCSE suddenly become worthless because everyone has them. :cry:
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Do you think the same will happen for GCSEs? I don’t think it’s likely but I’m curious nonetheless 🧐
In many ways I hope not, but on account of the autumn exam series opportunity for students in England that Scottish students don't get I think Ofqual / DfE would be justified in not allowing the same changes to be made.
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Will it happen? One word : no
Should it happen? : remains to be seen the actual impact on lower socioeconomic groups in England and Wales and Northern Ireland
Even if it does have an impact (which it does), results from less privileged areas will never be as good as results from posh areas.

The solution to this is to ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM by INVESTING MONEY, TACKLING SOCIETAL ISSUES, AND IMPROVING THOSE SCHOOLS WHICH DO BADLY, not just PRETENDING THAT THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

Sorry.
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Even if it does have an impact (which it does), results from less privileged areas will never be as good as results from posh areas.

The solution to this is to ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM by INVESTING MONEY, TACKLING SOCIETAL ISSUES, AND IMPROVING THOSE SCHOOLS WHICH DO BADLY, not just PRETENDING THAT THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.

Sorry.
I never said I disagreed
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The people this change disadvantages most are those who aren't going to university, in my view. Those wanting to go straight into employment will be able to have employers legitimately question whether the candidate sat in front of them actually earnt the grades they did.

For those going to uni, the unis won't care a great deal so long as they get bums on seats, and graduate recruiters won't care as much about the A Level or GCSE grades compared to a degree classification.
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Could you add a poll to this thread, please?
Good idea, done.
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In many ways I hope not, but on account of the autumn exam series opportunity for students in England that Scottish students don't get I think Ofqual / DfE would be justified in not allowing the same changes to be made.
I really hope so Let’s hope they stick to their guns, though it can’t be easy...
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Tough issue, the original system of judging grades based of location of school was poor. However you have to feel the complete reversal/commitment to upgrading grades is equally not the solution, and it definitely comes off as a knee-jerk to the unpopularity of the original methodology.
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Honestly, yes if Scottish people are able to have their teacher estimated grades so should the English students. With the huge backlash against the Scottish Government last week, it is almost definite that same will happen to the English government due to the standardisation process being almost identical. But I don’t think the U-turn will happen over here for English students since the government is very stubborn.
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As someone who sat A-Levels last year, I think this would be unfair on previous and future cohorts. Results this year are said to have improved slightly even after adjustments; it would devalue grades if they are significantly higher this year.
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Honestly, yes if Scottish people are able to have their teacher estimated grades so should the English students. With the huge backlash against the Scottish Government last week, it is almost definite that same will happen to the English government due to the standardisation process being almost identical. But I don’t think the U-turn will happen over here for English students since the government is very stubborn.
I think that neither the Scottish nor English should have their grades upgraded. It just screws the year 10s and 12s over even more...
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bums on seats
This phrase has been corrected from the original "bums up seats" that I'd written.

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Complete cop-out. No attempt to find an actual solution but instead, do a complete u-turn in order to placate the kids and secure the young vote.

I agree with 04MR17 above - people entering the workplace straightaway might have some problems, as employers will be right to question the legitimacy of the grades presented in front of them.
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I think that neither the Scottish nor English should have their grades upgraded. It just screws the year 10s and 12s over even more...
In reality, none of this is fair. But come on, would you rather be given out a grade by a computer that will affect your life forever or your teacher who actually knows you and who uses their professional judgement.
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If anyone thinks this is anything other than Sturgeoun trying to buy votes for independence you're deluded. The woman is dangerous and needs to be dealt with accordingly.
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(Original post by HolaNeinoa)
In reality, none of this is fair. But come on, would you rather be given out a grade by a computer that will affect your life forever or your teacher who actually knows you and who uses their professional judgement.
Computer and a mathematical model! I know where I am in my year rankings (or can guess - I'm that kid everyone copies off), and sufficient people have gotten A*s for me to get them. I would want results to be as real as possible.
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