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Open letter from TSR on behalf of students

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Original post
by LiberOfLondon
I endorse this letter and would like to add that as someone who will be doing GCSE's in a few years that the policy of giving people their predicted grades will just lead to grade inflation and is an unfair privilege for year 11's.

Predicted grades are not the same thing as the centre assessed grades.

Reply 41

Very well written including the part of the Centre Assessed Grades. When I asked the school why my son got a C rather than a B in the CAGs I was told that the teachers felt he would have got a B with some hard work in the last term but working to the strict Ofqual guidelines they gave him a C and there is no way to appeal this so I will have to take advice on legally contesting with Ofqual.

Reply 42

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by CatusStarbright
Predicted grades are not the same thing as the centre assessed grades.

What's the difference?

Reply 43

In recent days the two terms have been used interchangeably in the press, but to be accurate "predicted grades" are what a student might be given on the UCAS reference or a school report. Centre Assessed Grades, CAGs, are the things schools and colleges had to send to the exam boards by 12 June. They are your school's professional judgement on the grade you should have achieved had you sat the exams and completed the NEAs.
Original post
by LiberOfLondon
What's the difference?

Predicted grades are normally set at the start of the course as an idea of what a candidate could get in the exams at the end. CAGs were set at the end of the course and are what teachers think the candidate should have got in their exams at the end of the course had they have been able to sit the exams.

Reply 45

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by Bang Outta Order
Lockdown or not, you have to properly earn your way into uni. You lot really can't cry, you didn't even sit exams. Your grades mean nothing really on that foot alone. You're getting off lucky here, still able to apply to uni and work without sitting exams hahahaha keep quiet.

yeah lol

Reply 46

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by RoyalSheepy
Students this year had no choice when the exam boards had aborted their exams and instead used an algorithm to predict students' grades - there's a bit of a difference. This doesn't prove a student's full potential or actual grades they'd get in exams. Some may get better than they were getting in MOCK exams and some may get worse. Students this year have been completely cheated and I feel for every single student which is in the position where they can't get into University this year as they haven't been given the chance to show their abilities.

I think your post is bang out of order, no pun intended, as you're looking at it from a one sided perspective. A global pandemic is no one's fault except those who don't respect the rules to minimise the rate of infection.


I wish I could give this post 1,000 rep points!

This year has been a nightmare for students. As an Oxford fan, I am very pleased that the vast majority (if not all) UK state school offer holders (who worked damned hard) were given a place. This was due, in part, to many, many alumni (including elder son) bombarding their colleges with protest emails very early on.

Reply 47

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by 04MR17
This stopped being about fairness a long time ago now, the government needs to apologise and demonstrate why young people can ever trust the process of awarding qualifications again. And in my personal opinion, Gavin Must Go.[/Q

Reply 48

Well put and I support this letter. It is shocking what students have been put through in the last few weeks, as if waiting for results isn't stressful enough, they've been dealing with a whole lot more than any other year. You can't mess with peoples futures, do a u-turn and go 'whoops sorry' without providing the answers and support needed to rectify this situation.Many students may have missed out on their place due to caps on courses and the results they first received. This is not acceptable.

Reply 49

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by Steve0566
Very well written including the part of the Centre Assessed Grades. When I asked the school why my son got a C rather than a B in the CAGs I was told that the teachers felt he would have got a B with some hard work in the last term but working to the strict Ofqual guidelines they gave him a C and there is no way to appeal this so I will have to take advice on legally contesting with Ofqual.

Thank you for your feedback on the letter. The appeals process has been so confusing. It sounds like you're all over it, but just in case we've wirrten this article on it if it's helpful. I'm sure I've seen some articles in the news about law cases being filed about results, though I've not looked into it much. I hope you and your son manage to figure things out!

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by astears
Well put and I support this letter. It is shocking what students have been put through in the last few weeks, as if waiting for results isn't stressful enough, they've been dealing with a whole lot more than any other year. You can't mess with peoples futures, do a u-turn and go 'whoops sorry' without providing the answers and support needed to rectify this situation.Many students may have missed out on their place due to caps on courses and the results they first received. This is not acceptable.

Thank you for your support. We've seen so many students who are just so confused with all the changes that have happened. Right now we're in regular communications with UCAS and Ofqual, and working on getting feedback to the Department for Education too. All the info we're getting from UCAS and Ofqual we're updating straight away on the site to get clarity to students as quick as possible.

Reply 50

How do I appeal my CAG mark ?

Reply 51

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by Oxford Mum
I wish I could give this post 1,000 rep points!

This year has been a nightmare for students. As an Oxford fan, I am very pleased that the vast majority (if not all) UK state school offer holders (who worked damned hard) were given a place. This was due, in part, to many, many alumni (including elder son) bombarding their colleges with protest emails very early on.

Also I think this was a good chance for them to get out ahead on a PR point for once and to give them credit, they didn't miss the opportunity.

Reply 52

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by Rupalamin
How do I appeal my CAG mark ?

Essentially, it's not really super possible. Contrary to the original announcement that students could appeal their calculated grades based on their mock grades, now that the entire u-turn on grades has taken place, that option has been removed. There are only very specific circumstances where you can appeal - if you think there's been an admin error, or if you want to make a claim of serious discrimination or bias from your teacher. There's an article about it here that explains it some more.

Reply 53

Yes, Oxford has gone way up, in my opinion @Fullofsurprises, if indeed they could have gone up any further in the first place

Reply 54

Original post
by 学生の父
In recent days the two terms have been used interchangeably in the press, but to be accurate "predicted grades" are what a student might be given on the UCAS reference or a school report. Centre Assessed Grades, CAGs, are the things schools and colleges had to send to the exam boards by 12 June. They are your school's professional judgement on the grade you should have achieved had you sat the exams and completed the NEAs.

Original post
by CatusStarbright
Predicted grades are normally set at the start of the course as an idea of what a candidate could get in the exams at the end. CAGs were set at the end of the course and are what teachers think the candidate should have got in their exams at the end of the course had they have been able to sit the exams.

Would you say there are usually differences between CAG's and predicted grades?
Original post
by LiberOfLondon
Would you say there are usually differences between CAG's and predicted grades?

Yes. Though there's isn't much data around yet to verify that we've seen a lot of people on TSR whose CAGs are different to UCAS predicted grades and they've missed out on offers.

Reply 56

Original post
by LiberOfLondon
Would you say there are usually differences between CAG's and predicted grades?

Yes, because teachers are asked to determine different things. Both involve a professional judgement, but predicted grades are used as a teaching tool, whereas this year's CAGs are summative assessments.

Reply 57

Original post
by 04MR17
Yes. Though there's isn't much data around yet to verify that we've seen a lot of people on TSR whose CAGs are different to UCAS predicted grades and they've missed out on offers.

Original post
by 学生の父
Yes, because teachers are asked to determine different things. Both involve a professional judgement, but predicted grades are used as a teaching tool, whereas this year's CAGs are summative assessments.

Cheers :smile:

Reply 58

This year has been a nightmare for students. I support this letter as the government has messed around with their futures. The whole process, from the beginning until now was completely confusing and super stressful, but most of all unfair! It's absolutely awful what they have to go through and not acceptable.

Reply 59

Original post
by CatusStarbright
Predicted grades are normally set at the start of the course as an idea of what a candidate could get in the exams at the end. CAGs were set at the end of the course and are what teachers think the candidate should have got in their exams at the end of the course had they have been able to sit the exams.

Our predicted grades were not provided at start of course. They were issued well into the course when students were begining to review university options more seriously, attend open days, etc.

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