Those who vote for the Tories...

The vast majority of people who called for a second referendum on Brexit were left-leaning, only a small portion of those on the right-wing of the political spectrum supported such a move. A second referendum, even if we would have voted to leave again (Which is almost certainly how it would have gone, judging by the results of the most recent election), would have been a complete betrayal of our democracy.

In terms of economics, the far-left (Marxist / Socialist / Communist types) evidently have little to no grasp on basic economics, the economic policies that they push (Collective ownership over the means of production, confiscation of wealth from the upper-classes etc) are incredibly harmful to everyone, as privately-run businesses that operate for profit create wealth, whereas a collectively owned / nationalised industry with no incentive to turn a profit would either collapse due to lack of reinvestment or drastically fall-behind foreign private companies producing the same product (I believe the soviet car industry is a good example of this, though there are many others) as there is no competition, resulting in a lack of innovation.

That being said, I'm not referring to those on the centre-left, such as social-liberals and social-democrats, who support a mixed economic model. Only those on the radical ends of the political spectrum.

Right wing politics does not encapsulate prejudice based on race. This is an irrational, fear driven, belief that does not coincide with any political stance.

It does, however, stem from the same psychological emotional influence as those whom follow more right wing politics. Although, somebody looking objectively will find themselves falling on both sides of the political spectrum. This goes for economical thinkers like Karl Marx and F. A. Hayek for example; both men looked very objectively at economical solutions and found very different issues and answers.

He's serious but loves hiding behind the ”just a joke” defence.

There is a huge difference between what I described in my post and what you are saying.

The implementation of far right policies and those who support them does include racism, bigotry, and other wonderful things.

You're are suggesting the most successful politicians are the ones that take the worst from the left and the right? Could you please elaborate?

In regards to the newspaper part of your reply; I make no defence for the Sun and Daily Mail, I agree that they are widely, and rightly, regarded as the jokes of the media. However, whilst the Guardian supposedly keeps its news report section fairly clear of political prejudice (I say supposedly because I can think of half a dozen articles in the last month that have clear prejudice), its opinion section is as much of a joke as either of the previously mentioned right wing newspapers. I would argue that this is more of a problem, because the Guardian still manages to keep its reputation as a respected newspaper whilst also getting to be as prejudice as the tabloid newspapers. When talking in reference to the Independent, almost everything I said previously is equally applicable. However, I'd say that when reporting on actual news it is substantially less prejudice.

This is simply my opinion on the newspapers based on what I've read from them. I'm glad to hear that you read the Times though, from my experience people who read more than one news source seem to be much more able to have a debate as opposed to a childish squabble.

And I explained the reason why those two elements are so often linked together. But I don't think you should be judging entire philosophies based on a small minority. By this logic; some dogs have rabies, I now hate all dogs. You can see the issue, and it can be applied the other way politically as well; some people whom agree with left wing policies are communists, I'm going to write off all left wing policies as communist now.

This is actually what is happening in regards to opinions on right wing policies, e.g. if you are for restrictive immigration you are immediately racist. This kind of illogical thinking has got to stop.

And I explained the reason why those two elements are so often linked together. But I don't think you should be judging entire philosophies based on a small minority. By this logic; some dogs have rabies, I now hate all dogs. You can see the issue, and it can be applied the other way politically as well; some people whom agree with left wing policies are communists, I'm going to write off all left wing policies as communist now.

This is actually what is happening in regards to opinions on right wing policies, e.g. if you are for restrictive immigration you are immediately racist. This kind of illogical thinking has got to stop.

Yes, what you are saying makes sense however I am still not talking about these matters but for the implementation of far right policies and the drifting of an entire Party, the Conservatives, towards more hardline right wing policies to satisfy the pressures from those on the far right, for political and ideological reasons.

What you are trying to say is that if A implies B, does this necessarily mean that B implies A? Of course not! This is clear.

I'm not sure how I could re-explain it any more simply, but I will attempt to: A small minority of people hold communist beliefs, that does not mean that you should judge all left wing ideals as communist or the people who hold those beliefs.

I am not doing so.

I criticise the electorate for its decisions over a period of a decade and those who voted for the Tories continuously against their rights and interests.

Ah, I understand. Nobody, votes for a party that does not have their interests intentionally. However, the conservative party tends to be more aligned with the majority of people's interests than the labour party. Although, this may have changed since the resignation of Corbyn.

Well, I don't think that the conservatives align with the majority of people's interests.

The entire thread is about those who vote for the Tories against their interests and rights.

As many other users have put it, a large part of the working class has shoot itself in the foot by voting for the Tories in consecutive general elections and for Brexit.

You are saying that voters never vote against their interests. This is evidently not true. A classical example in history is the German Voters who voted for Hitler and his party. But we don't need these kind of very famous example to prove this point.

Take a look at Brexit here, take a look at the voters who have been described my many other users in this thread, as uneducated, misinformed, and naive.ly
Although I took it further to... Stupid..

The idea that the Electorate doesn't like Corbyn and hence will vote for the next immediate alternative, such as some right wing fascists in the Conservative Party, is one that was well propagated by the Mail, the Sun, and the entire propaganda of the right wing press.

As there is nothing alterative for the voters.

Is this based on your own firsthand personal experience and political exposure to racist jew haters?

I haven't read every single entry here but I've seen predominantly a focus on the issues of the day rather than a more general discussion of conservatism. This is unsurprising as the Conservative Party today does not defend its oldest values but instead has taken a wrecking ball to them that makes Blair's revision of Clause IV in the Labour Party seem insignificant in comparison.

Absolutely central to the Conservative Party for nearly 200 years was an idea that originates from the Tamworth Manifesto that the party is willing to support reform in order to survive but to oppose unnecessary change to avoid a "perpetual vortex of agitation." Compare that to the revolutionary sect in Downing Street today who actively seek to tear up all of the consensus by which British people live and their central role in dividing the country culturally, socially and economically. The Conservatives historically won power through fair compromise and were very successful because of it and held power through most of the 1920s and 1950s with forms of governance that contrasted one another quite starkly. Thatcher somewhat altered that state and the legacy are right wing revolutionaries like Johnson and Gove who happily go around destroying British institutions such as our civil service and the BBC.

Also central to real Conservatives is the absolute respect for the rule of law. A Conservative Prime Minister simply does not breach international treaties, it is unthinkable. The revolutionary sect in power are destroying our international reputation because they either failed to understand or respect the Withdrawal Agreement they signed and won an election on only 9 months ago. For them to now say "oh, we couldn't contemplate the situation in Northern Ireland at the time" is a bare faced lie because millions of us were warning them about it along with Theresa May, several other Conservatives and the DUP.

The current revolutionary sect try and claim they're defending the Union but gave no consideration whatsoever to the impact of Brexit on the United Kingdom. Not only was the Good Friday Agreement ignored but Boris Johnson could be the Prime Minister to lose Scotland. It was unthinkable less than a decade ago that Scotland would even want let alone actually gain independence but the polls are pretty clear now that if there is a vote, the UK is finished. Labour has to take some of the blame for allowing themselves to be superseded by the SNP but ultimately if Scotland splits, it's on the revolutionary sect.

So, to answer the original question, would I vote Conservative. Once upon a time I could have considered it and nearly voted for them in 2005 until I remembered Iain Duncan-Smith and others opposed to true conservatism might end up in cabinet. I could happily be governed by the Heseltines, Majors, Clarkes and Pattens of this world but when it came to it I had to choose Corbynism over the revoltionary sect in Number 10 right now. The Conservative Party is lost and I'll certainly never vote for it now.

You are confused on who was calling for a second referendum. It was the centrists from both parties and of course the entire lib dem, the Greens, the SNP, the Welsh and the Northern Irish.

You may also appreciate that we don't live in a society governed by left or far left policies, but the opposite!
The far-right and ita rhetoric has been with us for the past 10 years and has materialised well in society and government.

I think your analysis of economics deserves a Nobel Prize but not in economics but in... naivity.
If you think that coorporate capitalism is the best system you haven't probably had experience in life yet or you may haven't worked at a minimum wage such as millions of workers and getting exploited continuously.

Well, I can go forever but the lecture in economics wasn't that good.

Probably not, given that he has managed to ignore the accusations made in the Labour anti-Semitism scandal and just talks how Labour being investigated is all a conspiracy.

@Lucifer323, care to comment?

I have not, nor will I defend huge corporations that exploit people for financial gain, certain restrictions are very important for the general health of our society. Crony capitalism is just as bad as socialism.

I work a minimum wage job in a supermarket, that being said, I am not exploited, I offer my services in exchange for capital, if I make an effort to improve myself over the course of my life, whether that be through education or experience, I can achieve good results under a capitalist system, as it values equality of opportunity rather than outcome.

The far-right has only grown more popular as a counter movement to the prevalence of (socially) far-left politics in modern day society, economic left-wing ideologies also appear to be rising in popularity, largely as a result of the current political state of universities in the west.

Those who supported a second referendum were often economically centre-right but socially left-wing. As far as I'm concerned, they are left-wingers.

There are two groups of people who vote for the Tories:

1st Group: The Wealthy and the Rich

2nd Group: The Naive and the Stupid...

You really have to be very Naive or very stupid, or both, to vote for the Tories if you don't belong to the 1st Group!!!

The British Electorate is not very famous for its intelligence and intellectual abilities. So we had the Tories for the last 10 years together with a Brexit Vote, which was very popular among right wing voters..

I propose a system where not everyone will be given the vote but has to qualify his/her vote with an IQ Test. Those who score over 120 will be eligible to vote for all elections.

The 120 barrier makes sure that the vast majority of the the Tory Voters are eliminated instantly and they don't bother society and us anymore. This barrier will also exclude labour voters and voters of other parties, but here the benefits are enormous and far outweigh the risks if you think that the vast majority of Tory voters will be unable to vote...

Instead what most have to do on the day of elections is what they do in any regular day of the week or in the weekend. Stay in the local pub, read your SUN or the Daily Mail, and enjoy a nice and refreshing pint of lager... You don't have the right to vote as you didn't pass the IQ Test. But don't worry, be happy, and who cares!!! As long as you have the SUN and the Mail to read, and your nice pint of beer, everything should be fine...

No! I'm not just calling huge groups of people stupid because they vote Tory, nit in anyway. Also it doesn't matter who enforces the damaging right wing or unicorn middle ground politics, all parties morph to win political power to a certain extent. However it isnt stupid or naive to vote for what you believe in regardless of your wealth.

Look from my eyes it appears you can't comprehend text correctly and refuse to provide evidence for your wild claims. I'm assuming you know you are talking rubbish from the way you leave posts topics alone when are clearly unequivocally defeated, and flood the thread with several posts of unrelated garbage to try to force the subject onto different issues or hide the fact you have just been defeated.

Anyway this is pointless, there is plenty of replies you need to respond to but arnt going to and we both know why! So I'll leave you to your duck searches, the topic is nonsense from the start anyone reading along has already made their own mind up who they believe so ..... Quack, quack (cant find a duck so)