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It was certainly a tory event, in that it was called to try and neuter the skeptics within their own party. again though, that doesnt make it a tory idea - as we saw (and you noted) there were plenty of labour voters who went for it. Ironically enough it was probably more labour voters who went for the idea than tory ones working class northerners vs. middle class southerners.

Indeed. Probably one of the key reasons he couldnt get near power (aside from his indulging so many unbritish ideas) was his flipflopping on the matter.

Isnt that rather insulting to all the former labour voters? To say that millions of them are but too stupid//gullible to not vote tory..?
I never implied that there are no naive and stupid within the Labour Party. No matter how it sounds, yes they are if they have bought the propaganda, lies, and deception emerging from the far right part of the political spectrum.

It seems that thus idea of Nationalism and Pseudo-Independence from the 'oppression' of the European Union has affected the minds of many labour voters who in the last election voted for Boris so he can deliver the Brexit...

I don't think it is insulting to state the facts and criticise those who have been damaging the national interest.
The UK has become the laughing stock of Europe in the past decade. And there is more on the way to come.

In reality no Governnent can compromise the national interest so much as the Tories have done in the past decade. However and having seen what is coming, my prediction is that they will try similar deals as before but at a much higher cost, which is the cost of Brexit.
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This wouldn't have worked. It would have benefited those afluent and private schools whose pupils have access to the net.

We lost touch with most of our students and engagement went right down despite weekly telephone calls.

Also, teachers are on holiday in August and rightly so. I'm on holiday right now.
What you are saying is correct in some ways in relation to the students who would have had access to private teachinv while the Schools were closed. But is this always the case?

It's a very tricky situation admittedly.
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I never implied that there are no naive and stupid within the Labour Party. No matter how it sounds, yes they are if they have bought the propaganda, lies, and deception emerging from the far right part of the political spectrum.

It seems that thus idea of Nationalism and Pseudo-Independence from the 'oppression' of the European Union has affected the minds of many labour voters who in the last election voted for Boris so he can deliver the Brexit...

I don't think it is insulting to state the facts and criticise those who have been damaging the national interest.
The UK has become the laughing stock of Europe in the past decade. And there is more on the way to come.

In reality no Governnent can compromise the national interest so much as the Tories have done in the past decade. However and having seen what is coming, my prediction is that they will try similar deals as before but at a much higher cost, which is the cost of Brexit.
I was going to respond to your posts where you quoted me but given that they're all the same elitist, fascist word salad I think I'll respond to this one.

Your only argument is ”Brexit is stupid because I don't like it, so everyone who voted Leave is therefore stupid and should be disbarred from voting”. Remember that in the South similar excuses were used to disenfranchise blacks and intelligence tests were used for that purpose. Funnily enough Lucifer wants to bring in intelligence tests for voters and is a raging anti-Semite.

If it goose steps like a KKK member, burns crosses like a KKK member and disenfranchises blacks like a KKK member...
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I was going to respond to your posts where you quoted me but given that they're all the same elitist, fascist word salad I think I'll respond to this one.

Your only argument is ”Brexit is stupid because I don't like it, so everyone who voted Leave is therefore stupid and should be disbarred from voting”. Remember that in the South similar excuses were used to disenfranchise blacks and intelligence tests were used for that purpose. Funnily enough Lucifer wants to bring in intelligence tests for voters and is a raging anti-Semite.

If it goose steps like a KKK member, burns crosses like a KKK member and disenfranchises blacks like a KKK member...
You are very confused and you make so many unsubstantiated claims. That of anti-semitism for example.. you always try to play this card when your arguments are not very sound.

In the religious debates I am very critical of the ludicrous ideologies of the Abrahamic Religions, indeed. To you that maybe antisemitic, but on the other hand you are confused.

What is wrong with bringing IQ Tests? Don't you believe on them? Or are you afraid you won't pass the barrier needed to be able to vote?!
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I was going to respond to your posts where you quoted me but given that they're all the same elitist, fascist word salad I think I'll respond to this one.

Your only argument is ”Brexit is stupid because I don't like it, so everyone who voted Leave is therefore stupid and should be disbarred from voting”. Remember that in the South similar excuses were used to disenfranchise blacks and intelligence tests were used for that purpose. Funnily enough Lucifer wants to bring in intelligence tests for voters and is a raging anti-Semite.

If it goose steps like a KKK member, burns crosses like a KKK member and disenfranchises blacks like a KKK member...
And yes, those who vote for the Tories and they are not wealthy or rich, they are either naive or stupid. Or even both.

Because you need to be naive or stupid to vote for them if you are not wealthy and rich. Simply because you will voting against your interests and the interests of the majorities.
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Huh.. I missed one! Did you say I am a Nazi??!!

You are very confused Mr Liber.
I mean what a delirium!!!

Don't forget that ideologically compatible with Nazism are some of the ultra right wing elements in the Tory Party and those outside who belong to the far right.

By the way, I do criticise Judaism and all Abrahamic Religions. As they make the most luficrous claims.
The far left are so different
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The far left are so different
I am nowhere near the far left and the far right...

However coming to my original point and don't derail thr conversation with the nonsense that Liber writes down on a constant basis, it is true that those who vote for the Tories and are not wealthy or rich, they are definitely naive not to say stupid.. because you need to be one of the two or both to vote against your interests.
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I was going to respond to your posts where you quoted me but given that they're all the same elitist, fascist word salad I think I'll respond to this one.

Your only argument is ”Brexit is stupid because I don't like it, so everyone who voted Leave is therefore stupid and should be disbarred from voting”. Remember that in the South similar excuses were used to disenfranchise blacks and intelligence tests were used for that purpose. Funnily enough Lucifer wants to bring in intelligence tests for voters and is a raging anti-Semite.

If it goose steps like a KKK member, burns crosses like a KKK member and disenfranchises blacks like a KKK member...
Your arguments are usually characterised by straw man and red herrings.

But still don't understand why is it wrong to call those who vote for the Tories and are not rich, naive or stupid... The electorates have never been famous for their wise choices..
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You are very confused and you make so many unsubstantiated claims. That of anti-semitism for example.. you always try to play this card when your arguments are not very sound.

In the religious debates I am very critical of the ludicrous ideologies of the Abrahamic Religions, indeed. To you that maybe antisemitic, but on the other hand you are confused.

What is wrong with bringing IQ Tests? Don't you believe on them? Or are you afraid you won't pass the barrier needed to be able to vote?!
1) your comments on Judaism and Israel are anti-Semitic.

2) I think that if you are old enough and hold British citizenship, you should be allowed to vote. No ifs, no buts.
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1) your comments on Judaism and Israel are anti-Semitic.

2) I think that if you are old enough and hold British citizenship, you should be allowed to vote. No ifs, no buts.
What if you have to qualify your vote? For example someone with less than 120 IQ will not be able to vote. If that was the case what would you have done?

Criricising Judaism is antisemitic? Nah...you are confused here.
Let's say that Judaism is a stone age ideology created by the twisted minds of the Jewish Clergy. Where exactly is the anti-Semitism??
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The far left are so different
I haven't asked you why do you vote for the Tories. I take it that you are not wealthy or rich... So what are the reasons to vote against your interests?
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I haven't asked you why do you vote for the Tories. I take it that you are not wealthy or rich... So what are the reasons to vote against your interests?
You know when someone won’t bite yet you see the person keep putting the bait out.

That’s you right now. 🤡
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You know when someone won’t bite yet you see the person keep putting the bait out.

That’s you right now. 🤡
I am asking genuinely.
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Look everyone, the religion understander's logged on and is now going to spread his enlightened gospel of elitism and fundamentalist atheism facts to TSR


That's a tautology. Not to mention that many working class Tories work hard and would rather have their money in their pocket rather than in the hands of some quango or dole scrounger.

Given that you're part of it I'm inclined to agree with you.

Lexiteers do exist and my friend Burton Bridge is one of them.

You do know IQ tests are generally considered pseudoscientific and are pretty racist in their methodology?

Ah, eugenics. That worked so well in Nazi Germany.

So you admit your ideal political system is one which disenfranchises half the country through a test that's fraught with racism?

Yeah, why don't you **** off back to your KKK meeting and go stroke the other inbred racists' tiny *****.

Your classism is showing.

If you can be taxed by the government when you work, you should be allowed a say in what the government does with your money. In the words of Margaret Thatcher, there's no such thing as government money, only taxpayers' money.

You do know not everyone who reads the Mail or the Sun, or who drinks beer instead of a nice glass of 1984 Château Lafite, is thick?

No, you're a Nazi. You constantly criticise Israel, support racist policies and advocate for socialism.

Remind me what party caused the Winter of Discontent? (clue - it wasn't the Tories)

My nan doesn't usually vote Conservatives and she's not anti-Tory like you are. It's almost as if lumping all the UK into two categories is a bad idea.

Name me one country where socialism works or has worked. I can name you plenty where it hasn't.

What working class rights have the Tories not protected?

Tell that to the chavs in Hull who buy six packs of Stella with their dole money and go to the foodbank when their kids starve.

You know how we could give opportunities to the poor? By bringing back grammar schools. You know what party wants to do that? The Tories.

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:lol: in the MHoC someone once submitted a ”Free Oral for the Elderly” bill - he was a Kipper if it's relevant.
I've not read this topic but I can see mini queenie hasn't changed, still chucking mindless insults out

Anyway I've not read the topic, however I'd like to say I'm totally agaist the derogatory term lexit, in reality it's a derogatory term made up by remainers to belittle people. There is nothing left wing or right wing about leaving the EU, we either leave or stay, simple, if we are going to be right about it its majority right wing, after all two out of every three parliaments in the European Union are classed as 'conservative'.


Leaving the EU is about control, control whatever you wish, the Tories wont give the future I want but that's irrelevant to the point. I want the opportunity for a left wing government I want to elect in the future to operate with the freedoms it is given by the electorate, for example the ability to slash regressive taxes, for example.


To say you need to hold right wing beliefs to vote brexit is so short sighted its untrue, it's actually quite laughable in how naive it is, particularly after what happened in December - wake up FFS
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I've not read this topic but I can see mini queenie hasn't changed, still chucking mindless insults out

Anyway I've not read the topic, however I'd like to say I'm totally agaist the derogatory term lexit, in reality it's a derogatory term made up by remainers to belittle people. There is nothing left wing or right wing about leaving the EU, we either leave or stay, simple, if we are going to be right about it its majority right wing, after all two out of every three parliaments in the European Union are classed as 'conservative'.


Leaving the EU is about control, control whatever you wish, the Tories wont give the future I want but that's irrelevant to the point. I want the opportunity for a left wing government I want to elect in the future to operate with the freedoms it is given by the electorate, for example the ability to slash regressive taxes, for example.


To say you need to hold right wing beliefs to vote brexit is so short sighted its untrue, it's actually quite laughable in how naive it is, particularly after what happened in December - wake up FFS
Leaving the EU was a stupid-wing coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums...
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Leaving the EU was a stupid-wing coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums...
:rolleyes: okey.....

I guess people like Hugh Gaitskell must be far right, I mean you cannot be wrong can you? In your head at least your views are the bench mark for intelligence .... irony is off the chart
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:rolleyes: okey.....

I guess people like Hugh Gaitskell must be far right, I mean you cannot be wrong can you? In your head at least your views are the bench mark for intelligence .... irony is off the chart
Good morning Mr Burton!

If you have a look at my previous reply to you it is clear and I explained that it started in the far right part of the political spectrum and it spread like a virus across the political spectrum..

As the matter of fact Corbyn said 40% of the labour voters voted for Brexit, which is shocking!!!

He is very responsible for this matter.

Other then that, deception, propaganda, lies, and exaggerations, were the true winners of the Referendum. Suprisingly enough many of the labour voters in the past election voted for Johnson especially in the North of the country so he can deliver their Brexit and save them from the oppression of the European Union...

Just as Einstein said once, stupidity has no limits...
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:rolleyes: okey.....

I guess people like Hugh Gaitskell must be far right, I mean you cannot be wrong can you? In your head at least your views are the bench mark for intelligence .... irony is off the chart
Nowhere did I say that you need to be right wing to vote for Brexit. But it was mainly a right wing idea. If a labour Governnent was in power or coalition between Labour and the Lib Dems there would have been no referendum at the first place and we wouldn't have become the laughing stock of Europe at this point.

To compromise the national interest and place the interests of his party above the national interest is something that history will record and has recorded. We hope that the circus leaves the town soon.

As for the labour voters, they acted stupidly, and they will pay a heavy price for years to come.
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Nowhere did I say that you need to be right wing to vote for Brexit. But it was mainly a right wing idea. If a labour Governnent was in power or coalition between Labour and the Lib Dems there would have been no referendum at the first place and we wouldn't have become the laughing stock of Europe at this point.

To compromise the national interest and place the interests of his party above the national interest is something that history will record and has recorded. We hope that the circus leaves the town soon.

As for the labour voters, they acted stupidly, and they will pay a heavy price for years to come.
The more you type the more you highlight how limited your knowledge is, you clearly dont have a clue what I was referencing by mentioning Hugh Gaitskell. You need to educate yourself regards the EU/EEC before you make yourself appear stupid online, as you are doing.
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The more you type the more you highlight how limited your knowledge is, you clearly dont have a clue what I was referencing by mentioning Hugh Gaitskell. You need to educate yourself regards the EU/EEC before you make yourself appear stupid online, as you are doing.
I have already answered to you on that. Just because some labour politicians and some voters were in favour of Brexit and in the past against entry in the European Market this doesn't mean that the majorities within the Labour Party are. Labour is a pro European party with the vast majority of the its MPs in favour of remaining.

However the Labour voters were fooled for once more and in large numbers voted to leave (around 40%)

In the Tories the leave vote was around 60%

I don't think you have realized the magnitude of the decision of leaving the EU which will be paid heavily for many generations to come.

We have become the laughing stock in Europe and you discuss matters as if we are now going to enjoy democracy and prosperity. The opposite will happen and has been happening for a decade now. A range of ludicrous Tory Governments and the disasterous policies they have implemented together with ... brexit...
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