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That's a tautology. Not to mention that many working class Tories work hard and would rather have their money in their pocket rather than in the hands of some quango or dole scrounger.

Given that you're part of it I'm inclined to agree with you.

Lexiteers do exist and my friend Burton Bridge is one of them.

You do know IQ tests are generally considered pseudoscientific and are pretty racist in their methodology?

Ah, eugenics. That worked so well in Nazi Germany.

So you admit your ideal political system is one which disenfranchises half the country through a test that's fraught with racism?

Yeah, why don't you **** off back to your KKK meeting and go stroke the other inbred racists' tiny *****.

Your classism is showing.

If you can be taxed by the government when you work, you should be allowed a say in what the government does with your money. In the words of Margaret Thatcher, there's no such thing as government money, only taxpayers' money.

You do know not everyone who reads the Mail or the Sun, or who drinks beer instead of a nice glass of 1984 Château Lafite, is thick?

No, you're a Nazi. You constantly criticise Israel, support racist policies and advocate for socialism.

Remind me what party caused the Winter of Discontent? (clue - it wasn't the Tories)

My nan doesn't usually vote Conservatives and she's not anti-Tory like you are. It's almost as if lumping all the UK into two categories is a bad idea.

Name me one country where socialism works or has worked. I can name you plenty where it hasn't.

What working class rights have the Tories not protected?

Tell that to the chavs in Hull who buy six packs of Stella with their dole money and go to the foodbank when their kids starve.

You know how we could give opportunities to the poor? By bringing back grammar schools. You know what party wants to do that? The Tories.

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:lol: in the MHoC someone once submitted a ”Free Oral for the Elderly” bill - he was a Kipper if it's relevant
I think you are seriously confused Mr Liber.

You are voting for the Tories, you are a Brexiteer, and you believe in an infalible, Omniscient and Omnipotent God of the Roman Catholic Church.

All the above in the absence of any evidence...
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The more you type the more you highlight how limited your knowledge is, you clearly dont have a clue what I was referencing by mentioning Hugh Gaitskell. You need to educate yourself regards the EU/EEC before you make yourself appear stupid online, as you are doing.
Obviously I will insist in regards to those who vote for the Tories.

You have to be either rich or wealthy to vote for them.

The other group is the naive and the stupid.
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I have already answered to you on that. Just because some labour politicians and some voters were in favour of Brexit and in the past against entry in the European Market this doesn't mean that the majorities within the Labour Party are. Labour is a pro European party with the vast majority of the its MPs in favour of remaining.

However the Labour voters were fooled for once more and in large numbers voted to leave (around 40%)

In the Tories the leave vote was around 60%

I don't think you have realized the magnitude of the decision of leaving the EU which will be paid heavily for many generations to come.

We have become the laughing stock in Europe and you discuss matters as if we are now going to enjoy democracy and prosperity. The opposite will happen and has been happening for a decade now. A range of ludicrous Tory Governments and the disasterous policies they have implemented together with ... brexit...
Oh lord... That first sentence is comedy gold, you cannot be serious :rofl: Do you realise what you are saying let's recap for a laugh

(Original post by Lucifer323)

Leaving the EU was a stupid-wing coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums...


Ok so interpretation of that would mean you are saying, origination of eurosceptics is the far right, being as so you typed "coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums" :facepalm:

You need to stop talking or trolling one or the other, what are you trying to gain? Seriously what are you trying to achieve? :dontknow:Your arguments are non existent and logic less. You claim that if we had a never ending labour government we would never of left, well we'd never of joined in the first bloody place, which is the point I was subtly making that flew over your head like a bullet!

You're knowledge is lower than Margaret Thatchers taxation ideals but still you keep arrogantly chanting on about how everyone is stupid or naive. You are past obnoxious you and your bigger boat brother are made for each other.:2in1:
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What if you have to qualify your vote? For example someone with less than 120 IQ will not be able to vote. If that was the case what would you have done?

Criricising Judaism is antisemitic? Nah...you are confused here.
Let's say that Judaism is a stone age ideology created by the twisted minds of the Jewish Clergy. Where exactly is the anti-Semitism??
You shouldn't have to qualify your vote. If you're over 18 and hold British citizenship, you should be able to vote.

The implication that all Jewish priests have twisted minds and that Judaism is less advanced than other religions is anti-Semitic.
(Original post by Burton Bridge)
I've not read this topic but I can see mini queenie hasn't changed, still chucking mindless insults out

Anyway I've not read the topic, however I'd like to say I'm totally agaist the derogatory term lexit, in reality it's a derogatory term made up by remainers to belittle people. There is nothing left wing or right wing about leaving the EU, we either leave or stay, simple, if we are going to be right about it its majority right wing, after all two out of every three parliaments in the European Union are classed as 'conservative'.


Leaving the EU is about control, control whatever you wish, the Tories wont give the future I want but that's irrelevant to the point. I want the opportunity for a left wing government I want to elect in the future to operate with the freedoms it is given by the electorate, for example the ability to slash regressive taxes, for example.


To say you need to hold right wing beliefs to vote brexit is so short sighted its untrue, it's actually quite laughable in how naive it is, particularly after what happened in December - wake up FFS
I'd say there are broadly speaking three different reasons why people voted for and support Brexit
1) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a left wing state
2) oppose the EU having control over British laws and sovereignty, or oppose mass immigration from EU countries
3) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a right wing state.

To clarify things I call people who want to leave the EU and make Britain a socialist country Lexiteers, because they support a left wing Brexit.
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Leaving the EU was a stupid-wing coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums...
In the 1983 elections Michael Foot (who was as left wing as Corbyn if not more so) promised to leave the EEC if Labour got in. But do explain to us how Foot was a far right activist.
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You shouldn't have to qualify your vote. If you're over 18 and hold British citizenship, you should be able to vote.

The implication that all Jewish priests have twisted minds and that Judaism is less advanced than other religions is anti-Semitic.

I'd say there are broadly speaking three different reasons why people voted for and support Brexit
1) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a left wing state
2) oppose the EU having control over British laws and sovereignty, or oppose mass immigration from EU countries
3) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a right wing state.

To clarify things I call people who want to leave the EU and make Britain a socialist country Lexiteers, because they support a left wing Brexit.

In the 1983 elections Michael Foot (who was as left wing as Corbyn if not more so) promised to leave the EEC if Labour got in. But do explain to us how Foot was a far right activist.
Oh but Michael Foot is just one single odd ball political figure in the labour party, not representative of the party, despite being the leader at the time and EEC exit being official labour policy. That's just a small irreverent detail, didn't you know? You're so stupid and naive, am I doing better Lucifer323, am I a proper labour man now?

*gives head a shake*

I see you didn't mean lexit as a derogatory term however let me explain why I see it as one. It's a term which splits eurosceptics into analytical groups, remainers are not torymainers if they are from the right, they are not rigainters or somthing, of course not that would be stupid, unless you were trying to devalue their view point. Which is something a certain toxic group who claim to be liberal and left wing have done, why I got a little firm with a certain poster last night on a different thread.

So firstly, the term lexit is designed to identify those who are traditionally left wing, those that believe in and break them away from others.
Secondly it makes us look more niche than we are which, thirdly allows them to dismiss genuine left wing concerns based on the European movement, concerns economic figures have said for years warning of continuing integration of European and American capitalism.
Fourthly, allows the closure of the genuine voice of people like myself, as not really left wing or tankies, outdated middle england waite people... get ready for the psudo race card ....

To me it is exactly what lexit is, I'm not in anyway saying you were thinking that when you mentioned in in your conversation with mini queenie. To me I totally get why short sighted people with limited experience or knowledge would believe some of what Lucifer323 is saying, afterall if the country had voted for Ed Miliband in 2015 the country would be in the EU, be richer, be fairer, less divided and generally in a much better place. This is true, but that's history it doesn't mean what he thinks it means when you pull another layer of skin away, so to speak.
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Oh but Michael Foot is just one single odd ball political figure in the labour party, not representative of the party, despite being the leader at the time and EEC exit being official labour policy. That's just a small irreverent detail, didn't you know? You're so stupid and naive, am I doing better Lucifer323, am I a proper labour man now?

*gives head a shake*
Given that Lucifer seems to think that the 4th century was in the Middle Ages and Cathar heretics were all scientists, I wouldn't expect him to know that much about history.
I see you didn't mean lexit as a derogatory term however let me explain why I see it as one. It's a term which splits eurosceptics into analytical groups, remainers are not torymainers if they are from the right, they are not rigainters or somthing, of course not that would be stupid, unless you were trying to devalue their view point. Which is something a certain toxic group who claim to be liberal and left wing have done, why I got a little firm with a certain poster last night on a different thread.
Is this certain poster boat shaped by any chance?

I understand there's a difference between neoliberal remainers and social democrat remainers, but since their stance on Brexit boils down to ”we should stay in and then cut/raise taxes a bit” I don't differentiate between them as much as I do between Britannia Unchained-style Brexiteers, Faragist nationalists, and old-fashioned Labour eurosceptics.
So firstly, the term lexit is designed to identify those who are traditionally left wing, those that believe in and break them away from others.
Secondly it makes us look more niche than we are which, thirdly allows them to dismiss genuine left wing concerns based on the European movement, concerns economic figures have said for years warning of continuing integration of European and American capitalism.
Fourthly, allows the closure of the genuine voice of people like myself, as not really left wing or tankies, outdated middle england waite people... get ready for the psudo race card ....
Yeah, remainers were fans of bringing out the race card. Clearly the only reason I don't want to allow a body of people who aren't British citizens to make laws about Britain is because I hate everyone who isn't a white Anglo-Saxon Brit. :facepalm2:
To me it is exactly what lexit is, I'm not in anyway saying you were thinking that when you mentioned in in your conversation with mini queenie. To me I totally get why short sighted people with limited experience or knowledge would believe some of what Lucifer323 is saying, afterall if the country had voted for Ed Miliband in 2015 the country would be in the EU, be richer, be fairer, less divided and generally in a much better place. This is true, but that's history it doesn't mean what he thinks it means when you pull another layer of skin away, so to speak.
Like I said Lucifer doesn't know much about history.
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There are those who vote Conservative and those who vote for the Conservative Party. The current government is one led by the Conservative Party, but is not a Conservative government. One led by a man with no morals and waste on things such as half price meals in McDonalds is not a Conservative government. One that tries to involve the Queen in a political stunt, or refuses to be interviewed on parts of the BBC and ITV is not a Conservative government.
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It's alright guys, Mr Middle Ground is here! I dislike the Tories and Labour (almost) equally!

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It's alright guys, Mr Middle Ground is here! I dislike the Tories and Labour (almost) equally!

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So the Lib Dem revival has begun?
Or is The Independent Group For Change/Change UK back from the dead... :holmes:
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So the Lib Dem revival has begun?
Or is The Independent Group For Change/Change UK back from the dead... :holmes:
Ew god none of them :lol:

Though a member of a political party, they're not mainstream whatsoever, it's only a small thing which stood in like 6 constituencies last year, so to an extent you could say I am non-partisan.
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You shouldn't have to qualify your vote. If you're over 18 and hold British citizenship, you should be able to vote.

The implication that all Jewish priests have twisted minds and that Judaism is less advanced than other religions is anti-Semitic.

I'd say there are broadly speaking three different reasons why people voted for and support Brexit
1) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a left wing state
2) oppose the EU having control over British laws and sovereignty, or oppose mass immigration from EU countries
3) oppose the centrist EU and want to make Britain a right wing state.

To clarify things I call people who want to leave the EU and make Britain a socialist country Lexiteers, because they support a left wing Brexit.

In the 1983 elections Michael Foot (who was as left wing as Corbyn if not more so) promised to leave the EEC if Labour got in. But do explain to us how Foot was a far right activist.
Your second paragraph is really misrepresenting me but I believe it's the usual you who misunderstands and then misrepresents the other users quite often and you draw the wrong conclusions.

Who has said that all Jewish people have twisted minds?? You are very confused!! The Jewish Clergy back at the stone ages had twisted minds and they created a God, the God you believe in-the God of the Old Tastement, according to their twisted minds and their understanding of reality.

Again you conclude that Judaism is a less advanced religion. First of all, it is not less or more advanced than the other Abrahamic Religions. It is a stone age ideology just like Christianity and Islam. And the father of all Abrahamic religions.

I don't support Brexit as it is against the National Interest. I don't think there is much doubt about this. I am very much aware of the left of Labour that wanted to leave the EU or not even to join at the first place. However labour in principle is a pro-European Party. 60% of labour voters voted to remain where on the other hand 60% of Tory voters voted to leave.

It is really shocking that 40% of labour voters voted to leave thanks to the deception, lies, and propaganda, that emerged from the far right and spread like a virus everywhere.

It is also shocking that labour voters in the North of the Country voted for Johnson so he can deliver their Brexit..

Stupidity has no limits.

Perhaps those labour voters forgot who was responsible for the deprivation of their areas...Margaret Thacher for example ...
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Given that Lucifer seems to think that the 4th century was in the Middle Ages and Cathar heretics were all scientists, I wouldn't expect him to know that much about history.

Is this certain poster boat shaped by any chance?

I understand there's a difference between neoliberal remainers and social democrat remainers, but since their stance on Brexit boils down to ”we should stay in and then cut/raise taxes a bit” I don't differentiate between them as much as I do between Britannia Unchained-style Brexiteers, Faragist nationalists, and old-fashioned Labour eurosceptics.

Yeah, remainers were fans of bringing out the race card. Clearly the only reason I don't want to allow a body of people who aren't British citizens to make laws about Britain is because I hate everyone who isn't a white Anglo-Saxon Brit. :facepalm2:

Like I said Lucifer doesn't know much about history.
Nowhere did I say that the 4th century is the dark ages. However if you take our argument from the religious threads the beginning of what we called dark ages is thr 5th century and there is no much difference between the practises and tactics of the church between these two centuries.

As the matter of fact the dark ages didn't start out of nowhere. The practises and tactics of the Church continued and intensified from the previous 2-3 centuries and prior to what we call datk ages, and continued with the Medivial Inquisitions during the dark ages, and the Spanish Inquisition afyer the dark ages. However there is continuity between these eras.

Again, the Spanish Inquisition didn't come out of nowhere. The tactics of the Church continued from the era of the dark ages.

I think it is you who misrepresents and misunderstands others. As for you understanding of history this is not your strength as it seems...
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Oh but Michael Foot is just one single odd ball political figure in the labour party, not representative of the party, despite being the leader at the time and EEC exit being official labour policy. That's just a small irreverent detail, didn't you know? You're so stupid and naive, am I doing better Lucifer323, am I a proper labour man now?

*gives head a shake*

I see you didn't mean lexit as a derogatory term however let me explain why I see it as one. It's a term which splits eurosceptics into analytical groups, remainers are not torymainers if they are from the right, they are not rigainters or somthing, of course not that would be stupid, unless you were trying to devalue their view point. Which is something a certain toxic group who claim to be liberal and left wing have done, why I got a little firm with a certain poster last night on a different thread.

So firstly, the term lexit is designed to identify those who are traditionally left wing, those that believe in and break them away from others.
Secondly it makes us look more niche than we are which, thirdly allows them to dismiss genuine left wing concerns based on the European movement, concerns economic figures have said for years warning of continuing integration of European and American capitalism.
Fourthly, allows the closure of the genuine voice of people like myself, as not really left wing or tankies, outdated middle england waite people... get ready for the psudo race card ....

To me it is exactly what lexit is, I'm not in anyway saying you were thinking that when you mentioned in in your conversation with mini queenie. To me I totally get why short sighted people with limited experience or knowledge would believe some of what Lucifer323 is saying, afterall if the country had voted for Ed Miliband in 2015 the country would be in the EU, be richer, be fairer, less divided and generally in a much better place. This is true, but that's history it doesn't mean what he thinks it means when you pull another layer of skin away, so to speak.
Presicely what Miliband has said!!

And since you admit he was true it's very difficult to argue against it as I totally agree with it. What also Miliband has said a couple of years ago is that Brexit is against the National Interest. Which is obviously the case.

If a Labour Governnent was in power, even if it was the worst labour Government ever, or a coalition between the Labour and the Lib Dems or the SNP, an EU-Referendum would have never been triggered.

Only a careless and idiotic David Cameron could trigger such referendum, putting his ludicrous party interests above thr national interest.
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Oh lord... That first sentence is comedy gold, you cannot be serious :rofl: Do you realise what you are saying let's recap for a laugh

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Leaving the EU was a stupid-wing coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums...


Ok so interpretation of that would mean you are saying, origination of eurosceptics is the far right, being as so you typed "coming from the far right circles and spreading like a virus in other political spectrums" :facepalm:

You need to stop talking or trolling one or the other, what are you trying to gain? Seriously what are you trying to achieve? :dontknow:Your arguments are non existent and logic less. You claim that if we had a never ending labour government we would never of left, well we'd never of joined in the first bloody place, which is the point I was subtly making that flew over your head like a bullet!

You're knowledge is lower than Margaret Thatchers taxation ideals but still you keep arrogantly chanting on about how everyone is stupid or naive. You are past obnoxious you and your bigger boat brother are made for each other.:2in1:
Yes indeed, no matter how much you try you are not very convincing.

The lies, deception, exaggerations, and propaganda stole a lot of labour votes, and as a result 40% of labour voters voted for Brexit. I don't think there are so many far left wingers in the labour party.

Eurosceptics exist in all political spectrums but mainly on the far right and right wing circles.

Let me remind you again that 60% of labour voters voted to remain in comparison with only 40% of Tory voters who voted to remain.

In addition the 40% of labour voters who voted to leave is a shocking figure as there are not so many Eurosceptics in the modern labour party.

Why did those voters voted to leave then? For many reasons. One of them is stupidity! Just like the stupidity they have shown in the last general election in the North of the Country, voting for Johnson to deliver their Brexit...
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Ew god none of them :lol:

Though a member of a political party, they're not mainstream whatsoever, it's only a small thing which stood in like 6 constituencies last year, so to an extent you could say I am non-partisan.
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So the Lib Dem revival has begun?
Or is The Independent Group For Change/Change UK back from the dead... :holmes:
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There are those who vote Conservative and those who vote for the Conservative Party. The current government is one led by the Conservative Party, but is not a Conservative government. One led by a man with no morals and waste on things such as half price meals in McDonalds is not a Conservative government. One that tries to involve the Queen in a political stunt, or refuses to be interviewed on parts of the BBC and ITV is not a Conservative government.
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Oh but Michael Foot is just one single odd ball political figure in the labour party, not representative of the party, despite being the leader at the time and EEC exit being official labour policy. That's just a small irreverent detail, didn't you know? You're so stupid and naive, am I doing better Lucifer323, am I a proper labour man now?

*gives head a shake*

I see you didn't mean lexit as a derogatory term however let me explain why I see it as one. It's a term which splits eurosceptics into analytical groups, remainers are not torymainers if they are from the right, they are not rigainters or somthing, of course not that would be stupid, unless you were trying to devalue their view point. Which is something a certain toxic group who claim to be liberal and left wing have done, why I got a little firm with a certain poster last night on a different thread.

So firstly, the term lexit is designed to identify those who are traditionally left wing, those that believe in and break them away from others.
Secondly it makes us look more niche than we are which, thirdly allows them to dismiss genuine left wing concerns based on the European movement, concerns economic figures have said for years warning of continuing integration of European and American capitalism.
Fourthly, allows the closure of the genuine voice of people like myself, as not really left wing or tankies, outdated middle england waite people... get ready for the psudo race card ....

To me it is exactly what lexit is, I'm not in anyway saying you were thinking that when you mentioned in in your conversation with mini queenie. To me I totally get why short sighted people with limited experience or knowledge would believe some of what Lucifer323 is saying, afterall if the country had voted for Ed Miliband in 2015 the country would be in the EU, be richer, be fairer, less divided and generally in a much better place. This is true, but that's history it doesn't mean what he thinks it means when you pull another layer of skin away, so to speak.
Not to forget that this is a ludicrous Governnent that handled the pandemic in the worst possible manner and as a result we have one of the highest number of deaths in the world.

Not to forget about thr incompetence of most members of the Government that have no clue in regards to their roles and positions. A circus of Charlatans and Clowns that are the most incompetent than any other Government ever existed.

And not far away, the Brexit disaster is awaiting for us...

But this Governnent didn't come out of nowhere! People voted for them, including idiotic labour voters in North of the Country who wanted their Brexit to be delivered on time...

As the thread says there are two groups who vote for the Tories:

1) The Wealthy and the Rich
2) The Naive and the Stupid
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Not to forget that this is a ludicrous Governnent that handled the pandemic in the worst possible manner and as a result we have the highest number of deaths in the world.

Not to forget about thr incompetence of most members of the Government that have no clue in regards to their roles and positions. A circus of Charlatans and Clowns that are the most incompetent than any other Government ever existed.

And not far away, the Brexit disaster is awaiting for us...

But this Governnent didn't come out of nowhere! People voted for them, including idiotic labour voters in North of the Country who wanted their Brexit to be delivered on time...

As the thread says there are two groups who vote for the Tories:

1) The Wealthy and the Rich
2) The Naive and the Stupid
Clowns know what they are doing, unlike the government of Mr Johnson. The people who should first be blamed are the membership of the Conservative Party, who had a choice. Mr Johnson's track record before becoming leader of the Conservative Party was enough to know he was not the least unsuitable candidate.
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Not to forget that this is a ludicrous Governnent that handled the pandemic in the worst possible manner and as a result we have the highest number of deaths in the world.
Where are your stats from? :confused:
The last stats that I saw stated that the USA had the largest reported number of coronavirus fatalities in the world (174,255), followed by Brazil (112,304). Then Mexico (59,106) and India (54,849).
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Where are you stats from? :confused:
The last stats that I saw stated that the USA had the largest reported number of coronavirus fatalities in the world (174,255), followed by Brazil (112,304).
Then Mexico (59,106) and India (54,849).
Pardon me, I meant one of the highest in the world... I will correct the phrase.
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Where are your stats from? :confused:
The last stats that I saw stated that the USA had the largest reported number of coronavirus fatalities in the world (174,255), followed by Brazil (112,304). Then Mexico (59,106) and India (54,849).
That's what happens when you right fast from a mobile phone..
I should have said the highest number of deaths in Europe and one of the highest in the world.

However it doesn't change the fact that the way it was dealt by this Government was scandalous.

Had we gone to lockdown two weeks earlier we would have had at least 50% less deaths and up to 75% less deaths according to all epidemiological models.
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Wow! What an argument! Did you come up with this all by yourself? Or did you have any help along the way?
Don't come on here proudly parading your ignorance if you don't want to receive strong opinions in response.
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