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Why are Lawyers not considered as "special" or "admired" as Doctors/Surgeons

(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?
Original post by DaLokiooo
(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?

depends on the lawyers area really, it's different if they're helping people who deserve the help or are defending criminals that deserve punishment.
They used to be when it was much harder to get into the profession.
Much more common now plus ambulance chaser dont help.
Public has far less contact with lawyers and in most cases they are unaffordable.

The really rich ones, don't give two hoots as they are busy counting the $$$.
cause they dont save lives

(from a prospective law student)
Various reasons, at least in the context of the UK. To begin with, there are far more lawyers, and law degree graduates, than medics, so it is less of a rarefied profession as a result. Additionally, they aren't directly responsible for people's lives (granted that in some areas of law their work can impact people's lives a lot) so they are perceived to have a bit less responsibility which also influences how people see the profession. As noted also some legal work is perceived as more damaging to individuals or society, rather than constructive, hence the trope of the "blood sucking lawyer".

I would note that in the UK at least, the "top" lawyers will earn vastly more than the "top" consultants in the NHS. Private practice may narrow the gap somewhat but is relatively uncommon in the UK. Generally doctors are paid quite well, but they aren't filthy rich by any stretch of the imagination, especially considering the length of training they go through before they start earning the highest levels of pay (which again, is still considerably less than solicitors in "top" law firms and some barristers may make).

On the subject of barristers I would argue however that side of the legal profession is probably afforded similar "respect" (i.e. perceived prestige) in the UK to doctors. This is perception is probably strengthened by the large proportion of Oxbridge grads that make up the ranks of practicing barristers, the fact they are relatively few compared to solicitors, the much more competitive entry route to the profession, the structure of remuneration barristers operate allowing them to potentially earn much more than the average solicitor or doctor, as well as all the pretense involved in UK court procedure (wigs and gowns etc).
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Reply 5
Original post by DaLokiooo
(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?


I have quite a strong respect for lawyers. Many people underestimate how difficult and rigorous of a degree Law actually is, and how competitive the industry itself is. If you can climb that ladder, I certainly respect you. Lets face it, people who criticize others for wanting money generally aren't the ones earning it. Lots of people don't like the fact that some lawyers have to defend criminals (and I respect that this may make some people feel uncomfortable), however surely someone's got to do it (that is, if you believe is trial and due process)? Surely you can respect the difficulty of that job? Also, not all lawyers are in the job to earn money, some generally want to help people and bring about a more just society. I think @999tigger makes an excellent point about a lack of public contact with lawyers compared to with doctors, and I really do think this plays a role in how people think about different professions.

To balance out your point about doctors, I would argue that the COVID crisis really has highlighted not only how important they are, but also that they do in fact deserve more pay. I have frequently aired my views that medicine is an overrated degree (and I hold true to this), however I think this is more in the eyes of students, and not society as a whole (society does seem to appreciate the value of doctors). It's probably not so useful also to draw comparisons between lawyers and doctors, as they are very different professions in most respects! I'm very sorry that your friend's brother doesn't get the respect he deserves for being a lawyer though, that's just rude.

Interesting question OP :smile:.
Most doctors working within nhs healthcare don't charge by the hour, don't earn eye watering amounts of money and are associated with saving lives.

When it comes to lawyers in Britain & the USA there is a widespread negative social attitude that often revolves around the 'everyone hates lawyers until they need one' approach.
Perceptions are often based upon mostly male corrupt shark-like dishonest lawyers with six figure paychecks, ambulance chasing personal injury lawyers, dishonest criminal lawyers who are even more predatory than the vicious felons that they get rich defending at the police station/criminal courts and human rights specialist lawyers who are frequently depicted as deviously transforming the HRA into the ultimate 'villains charter' for the sinister purpose of prioritising the demands of menacing habitual criminals above both the victims of their crime sprees and the safety of the law abiding British population.
Original post by DaLokiooo
Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.

what do you guys think?

Doctors and surgeons save lives. Lawyers don't.

Lawyers job is to win for their client, regardless of the morals of a case. They are often seen as profiting from nasty situations, e.g. divorces, and simply not interested in what would be a fair settlement, especially when they're "no win, no fee" cases. In the US, their fees are often excessive, particularly in class actions or personal injury cases. Luckily, I've never had to deal with them here.
Reply 8
I've three mates who are lawyers and they are remorselessly horrible money grabbing *******s :lol:
They are a bunch of smartarses.
Reply 10
I would very much respect someone who says they’re a lawyer/ solicitor. However, the only true experience that I’ve ever had of law students or graduates has been that they’re extremely arrogant, self-righteous and the frame of mind that the world owes them something. There’s absolutely no need to have this mind frame, especially when law is now a lot more accessible for those with poorer grades. Exceptionally money orientated and power hungry, regardless of what they need to get there.

Of course, this isn’t representative of all law students/ graduates but it’s certainly tarnished the appeal.

Similarly with medical students/ doctors, my experiences have been largely positive. I don’t doubt that there’s arrogant doctors who love themselves or med students who think their the best. It’s just that my experiences have been far more positive.
Reply 11
Original post by DaLokiooo
(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?


Well it’s just as you said because a lot of people do think like that. I guess they seemed to be portrayed as corrupt but obviously there are good lawyers out there also medicine is so much more complicated takes a lot of hard work and studying. But guys be humble every job is admirable every parts plays a important role in society this pandemic proved that! 💯
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Lols at all the shade being thrown at lawyers.
They can and do save lives, just depends where and when.
The usual one is lawyers defend criminals which rather misses the point.

In any event I dont see lawyers crying about lack of respect, there is a lack of understanding though.
Reply 13
They are tbh. Every profession gets it's own bit of love/fandom/admiration.

We all love a good corporate lawyer who's slick with every move and sports a Breitling paid for with the tears of his client's opposition; we love an equally as talented criminal advocate who helps the innocent ... well preserve said innocence.

The ambulance chasers; £400 quickie divorce online lawyers and cowboys on the High Street we don't really care for.

That said it depends how you look at it... some people do blatantly flout health & safety. When it goes wrong, it goes horribly wrong - it can put people out of work and unable to support themselves. Said ambulance chasers can be handy.
Original post by DaLokiooo
what do you guys think?


I'm fond of the law students on the law forum but generally speaking, I try to avoid having any dealings whatsoever with lawyers. Unlike the medical profession, their advice is expensive and somewhat predictable in that it will either be ultra conservative or incomprehensible.
Original post by DaLokiooo
(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?


The lawyers making the REAL big money, like millions per anum are doctors/ have PHDs.

I hold both on a high pedestal - you can get around a lot of bs if you have these titles. I learned this through experience; even things like getting a document certified for a visa for example, you need to be 1 of a very few professions: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/applying-online-or-on-paper/on-paper/certified-copy
Original post by DaLokiooo
(Firstly Im not a lawyer so this thread is not biased)

Why do people always have the upmost respect for doctors and surgeons and think they derserve even more money for there job despise already earning an insane amount

BUT

why do people never really hold much respect for lawyers ? to be honest, I have heard most people disrespect lawyers because they think they only care about money and will happily screw someone over just to get more money. In fact , I have a friend who is a doctor and he often tells me he feels bad for his brother during family gatherings as he is known as the more successfull but more importantly for him " a hero within society" because he is a doctor after all while no one really cares that his brother is a lawyer despise that also being a "trophy job"

Personally , I respect both lawyers and doctors but I will always have more respect in healthcare professionals to be honest.


what do you guys think?


Honestly because in the UK (I don’t know about abroad) it’s easy now to become a solicitor and you really do not need to be that bright or have all A’s at A’level but medicine is still obviously very difficult and requires years of training. Being a doctor especially a surgeon or a specialist like a paediatrician for example is a lot more difficult than being a solicitor with an LLB (I have 2:1) and trust me it isn’t difficult. My cousin is a doctor and is highly respected.
Original post by Wiseone19999
Honestly because in the UK (I don’t know about abroad) it’s easy now to become a solicitor and you really do not need to be that bright or have all A’s at A’level but medicine is still obviously very difficult and requires years of training. Being a doctor especially a surgeon or a specialist like a paediatrician for example is a lot more difficult than being a solicitor with an LLB (I have 2:1) and trust me it isn’t difficult. My cousin is a doctor and is highly respected.

this thread is a year old :smile: