Joe Biden vs Donald Trump-2020 Presidential Election

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As usual he was being loose with his language but was obviously suggesting they should try it to test the system, to see if it accepts their name etc. Not even the great orange one would openly tell them to actually vote twice. As usual he's the gift that goes in giving.
So uh, it's exactly what Ascend said it was?
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So uh, it's exactly what Ascend said it was?
The bar is set so incredibly low for Trump so it's okay. "Being loose with his language" is the most diplomatic way of calling him a moron, even for a conman who thinks he knows what he's signalling.
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As usual he was being loose with his language but was obviously suggesting they should try it to test the system, to see if it accepts their name etc. Not even the great orange one would openly tell them to actually vote twice. As usual he's the gift that goes in giving.
That's like saying, 'I wasn't speeding, I was just testing how far this car can drive!'.
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The bar is set so incredibly low for Trump so it's okay. "Being loose with his language" is the most diplomatic way of calling him a moron, even for a conman who thinks he knows what he's signalling.
It's incredibly depressing how people come up with excuses like that, for four whole years.
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It's incredibly depressing how people come up with excuses like that, for four whole years.
And, if the following is true, it'll be interesting to see how the "loose language" apologia gets applied:

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
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What are all opinions?

Currently,Biden is in the lead but the last few days Trump's vote have gone up.

What do you all reckon, who's gonna win?
I think that Biden will win but I want Trump to win so that he can fix the mess he has caused to his country during the pandemic.
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Getting excited by all this now.. love a good election.

It was looking pretty boring when Biden was having an easy ride, but now trump is kicking off a little, it looks like it could be a competitive race.

I say 'could' because its all on Biden. He had this in the bag, and now its slipping a bit, but all he needs is to calm things down a bit from the rioting and race rhetoric, and go back to focusing on the virus and other normal affairs, and he will walk this election in a landslide.

My personal prediction though is that Biden will be fine. I think that trump supporters want this to be like the last elections so badly.. where he slowly grew and grew and then surprised everyone on the day. Its hard to persuade them that its not going to be like that, because as long as he gets close to being 4-5% behind, they will still have confidence as that's how far he was behind the day before the election last time. Currently he's gone from 9.6% behind in the summer to 7% behind presently..

But for me, the difference is that, with Hilary there wasn't one clear reason why he was gaining and she was falling.. it was just bad campaignign on her part, and very good stratagy from his camp.. she slowly lost and he slowly won due to their ability to garner support.

This time around though I don't think that's the case, I think its really influenced by two major events - the virus, and the riots. Look at the graphs, and trumps polling is at its worst when the effects of the virus are worse, for obvious reasons. Another autumn outbreak of the virus, which seems reasonably likely, is the worst possible thing for trump. Equally the race riots aren't playing well for Biden currently.. it wasn't so bad looking at the polling back in may, probably because they had only just begun and the floyd case was so clearly wrong, but the more the protests wear on, and especially this second batch, seems to be playing very badly for biden. Maybe his actions today, of going to visit Blake and such will help counter this, but certainly its been a gift to trumps campaign recently.

So for me, if the shift in the polls is largely event driven, what do I think is more likely? Rioting until the election, or convid coming back with the cold weather? I'd have to say the later. If neither happens, it should be biden easily, and if Convid comes back it should be biden easily.. So I really don't think trump has much of a chance at all, even if it deceptivly looks like he does right now.
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In light of Trump's new round of reported attacks against fallen veterans, this little historical nugget is worth its Twitter circulation:

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This is insane:

Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which Trump "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him."

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This is insane:

Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which Trump "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him."

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/05/p...use/index.html
Crazy if true.
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This is insane:

Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which Trump "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him."

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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Crazy if true.
While I am loathe to do anything that could be interpreted as defending Trump, if this is a photo from the video Cohen was talking about then it seems to be a skit originally intended for use at the 2012 RNC, rather than Trump's own pet project. Trump could have done it on a second occassion for his own enjoyment or could have produced this one by himself and then tried to get it played at the RNC because he thought it would be funny, but that's not clear cut. Cohen is a grubby little man and I wouldn't take his word for it without some sort of outside corroboration either way.

The level of projection and foreshadowing in the video is hilarious though.

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I managed to put another grand on before the betting odds changed. This easy win is gong to be a nice little earner. I guess I have to thank all the starry eyed libs for dreaming Biden has a chance which has maintained the odds.
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I managed to put another grand on before the betting odds changed. This easy win is gong to be a nice little earner. I guess I have to thank all the starry eyed libs for dreaming Biden has a chance which has maintained the odds.
How much have you bet on Trump winning?
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I'm so glad I'm not American...

I found it hard during the UK election to work out who to vote for. I'm not a boris fan and I didn't want to reward the tories many failures.. I also didn't agree with corbyn's pandering, and his platform was far to unreasonable

But if I were american? That takes it to a whole new level of disliking both options. Biden seems like just a stardard template politician, certianly not threatening or problematic in too many ways, just very safe... but the far left in america is bat **** insane at the moment to the point where they are burning down businesses, asulting people, etc. They have just gone way way to far off the deep end of raesonable conduct.

But then you have trump who is so obviously a dodgy, lying scumbag who has shown nothing but incompetanncy during the biggest challenge in his presidency. He is clearly corrupt on all levels, and the republican party has shown their weakness by bowing down to him. He has failed to deliever on his promises from the first election, and the only only redeming feature I can think of is that he annoys the people I want to be annoyed. But that's hardly presidential.

Trump worries me because of what he can do as president, but Biden worries me because not because of what he can do, but what he can enable the far left anarchists types and raical revolutionaries to do..

Would probably still vote biden though - the handling of convid would be the tipper for me. Trumps incompetence just can't be forgiven for that.
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This is insane:

Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which Trump "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him."

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/05/p...use/index.html
Could be worse, could be the Russian escorts pissing on the bed he slept in :lol:
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I'm so glad I'm not American...

I found it hard during the UK election to work out who to vote for. I'm not a boris fan and I didn't want to reward the tories many failures.. I also didn't agree with corbyn's pandering, and his platform was far to unreasonable

But if I were american? That takes it to a whole new level of disliking both options. Biden seems like just a stardard template politician, certianly not threatening or problematic in too many ways, just very safe... but the far left in america is bat **** insane at the moment to the point where they are burning down businesses, asulting people, etc. They have just gone way way to far off the deep end of raesonable conduct.

But then you have trump who is so obviously a dodgy, lying scumbag who has shown nothing but incompetanncy during the biggest challenge in his presidency. He is clearly corrupt on all levels, and the republican party has shown their weakness by bowing down to him. He has failed to deliever on his promises from the first election, and the only only redeming feature I can think of is that he annoys the people I want to be annoyed. But that's hardly presidential.

Trump worries me because of what he can do as president, but Biden worries me because not because of what he can do, but what he can enable the far left anarchists types and raical revolutionaries to do..

Would probably still vote biden though - the handling of convid would be the tipper for me. Trumps incompetence just can't be forgiven for that.
Oh don't worry, a mixture of trump and covid would have solved the problem for you making it so hard to vote as to be not worth your while :lol:
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I'm so glad I'm not American...

I found it hard during the UK election to work out who to vote for. I'm not a boris fan and I didn't want to reward the tories many failures.. I also didn't agree with corbyn's pandering, and his platform was far to unreasonable

But if I were american? That takes it to a whole new level of disliking both options. Biden seems like just a stardard template politician, certianly not threatening or problematic in too many ways, just very safe... but the far left in america is bat **** insane at the moment to the point where they are burning down businesses, asulting people, etc. They have just gone way way to far off the deep end of raesonable conduct.

But then you have trump who is so obviously a dodgy, lying scumbag who has shown nothing but incompetanncy during the biggest challenge in his presidency. He is clearly corrupt on all levels, and the republican party has shown their weakness by bowing down to him. He has failed to deliever on his promises from the first election, and the only only redeming feature I can think of is that he annoys the people I want to be annoyed. But that's hardly presidential.

Trump worries me because of what he can do as president, but Biden worries me because not because of what he can do, but what he can enable the far left anarchists types and raical revolutionaries to do..

Would probably still vote biden though - the handling of convid would be the tipper for me. Trumps incompetence just can't be forgiven for that.
All this media focus on the riots has drastically distorted people's perceptions of where the threat lies... According to the DHS's annual threat assessment by far the deadliest terrorism threat to the USA is still far right extremism. At least Biden condemns the rioters. And it still baffles me how people are blaming Biden for riots that are occurring in Trump's America.
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All this media focus on the riots has drastically distorted people's perceptions of where the threat lies... According to the DHS's annual threat assessment by far the deadliest terrorism threat to the USA is still far right extremism. At least Biden condemns the rioters. And it still baffles me how people are blaming Biden for riots that are occurring in Trump's America.
I wonder how they define terrorism though? Because, and I have nothing to base this on - its just speculation, I wouldn't be surprised if the recent protests/riots are not counted as terrorism in a lot of stats/counts. Which would be correct in my eyes, as the riots aren't terrorism to me.

I get both sides of the arguement with people blaming the democrats for problems that exist under trumps time in office, as far as I have heard they go like this:

Dems - trumps decisive politics and inaction on racial issues are stoking racial tensions. The riots/protests are a natural reaction against this, therefor they are his responsibility/fault

Republicans - trump wants law and order, there is no excuse to riot/destroy private property and businesses, and them democrats have been willingly getting behind and encouraging people to 'protest' including paying the bail for some of those convicted. Saying that there will be more riots if trump wins again is basically a threat.

I think there is a truth in both sides. The democrats are right that trump has failed to deal with racial divides, and tensions have increased since he took office.. but they have also been far more encouraging of people taking these actions than the republicans who, if they had their way, would just send in the national guard and be done with it.

I think the positive thing for Biden is that he can, and is solving his part of the problem. His recent condemnations of the violence have been just what was needed, and should take away his part of the problem. Trump though can't do anything to fix his record, its done and his part in it all is unchangeable now.
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At least Biden condemns the rioters. And it still baffles me how people are blaming Biden for riots that are occurring in Trump's America.
Rioters.
Could be because they are attacking Trump supporters and not Democrats.
Could be because they are the far left and not far right.
Could be because "Become ungovernable" is a left wing mantra.
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How much have you bet on Trump winning?
2 grand. In all honesty its only the threat of voter fraud or assassination stopping me from remortgaging the house and going all in.
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