Is it Immoral for NHS Doctors and Surgeons to Move to America For More Money?

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Lets imagine a 32 year old neurosurgeon decides he has had enough of the horrendous pay conpensation from the NHS and wants to relocate to america just for more money, is he looked down upon as there is already a shortage of doctors?
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Lets imagine a 32 year old neurosurgeon decides he has had enough of the horrendous pay conpensation from the NHS and wants to relocate to america just for more money, is he looked down upon as there is already a shortage of doctors?
At the end of the day it’s still a job.
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No.
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Anybody looking down on him needs to mind their own business. It isn't that specific doctor's fault that there is a doctor shortage in this country. Also, being a doctor is a job and just like in any other job, career and life plans and changes are allowed to happen.
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The only thing immoral here is your lack of brain cells for asking such a stupid question.

People have the right to move, if they decide to.
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No, at the end of the day, it's his life. He's the one who's had to hustle and grind to reach the position that he has, nothing wrong with wanting to get paid more.
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Lets imagine a 32 year old neurosurgeon decides he has had enough of the horrendous pay conpensation from the NHS and wants to relocate to america just for more money, is he looked down upon as there is already a shortage of doctors?
This was actually raised as a topic a few years ago, and there was a policy to "force" doctors to stay and train for 4 years post-grad.

This plan has now been indefinitely shelved.

P.S. (1) 4 years is not enough time to train to be a neurosurgeon
(2) you can't be a consultant neurosurgeon aged 32 and
(3) US treats international medical graduates very poorly - you wouldn't be able to work in a competitive specialty or location there any way (including neurosurgery).
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no more immoral than an engineer or a scientist or any other person choosing to do the same
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This was actually raised as a topic a few years ago, and there was a policy to "force" doctors to stay and train for 4 years post-grad.

This plan has now been indefinitely shelved.

P.S. (1) 4 years is not enough time to train to be a neurosurgeon
(2) you can't be a consultant neurosurgeon aged 32 and
(3) US treats international medical graduates very poorly - you wouldn't be able to work in a competitive specialty or location there any way (including neurosurgery).
So your saying a neurosurgeon wouldn't be able to find a job in neuro surgery regardless of how good he is?
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So your saying a neurosurgeon wouldn't be able to find a job in neuro surgery regardless of how good he is?
A non-US trained doctor wanting to work in the US? Most likely.

Exclusions are: if you're a world-leading expert etc.
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In the US? Yes.
well that sounds a bit ludicrous, I thought in medicine that it didn't matter where you studied as its not like american people are built differently to british people ?
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It's immoral to expect anyone intelligent to put up with any of this toy town s**t.
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well that sounds a bit ludicrous, I thought in medicine that it didn't matter where you studied as its not like american people are built differently to british people ?
It's their country, their rules.

If you wanted to work in the US, study and train in the US.

It doesn't matter how high your USMLE scores are, if there's even one locally-trained doctor in any competition - they'd get priority.
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same way teachers, teach english abroad. its not selfish you're looking out for yourself.
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well that sounds a bit ludicrous, I thought in medicine that it didn't matter where you studied as its not like american people are built differently to british people ?
Have you ever genuinely thought UK docs and foreign ones were treated the same?
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(Original post by ecolier)
This was actually raised as a topic a few years ago, and there was a policy to "force" doctors to stay and train for 4 years post-grad.

This plan has now been indefinitely shelved.

P.S. (1) 4 years is not enough time to train to be a neurosurgeon
(2) you can't be a consultant neurosurgeon aged 32 and
(3) US treats international medical graduates very poorly - you wouldn't be able to work in a competitive specialty or location there any way (including neurosurgery).
(Original post by ecolier)
A non-US trained doctor wanting to work in the US? Most likely.

Exclusions are: if you're a world-leading expert etc.
sorry to spam with questions but your basically saying that its very hard to get a work visa in america and also as hard to get the same job you had in england?
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Have you ever genuinely thought UK docs and foreign ones were treated the same?
Actually, here in the UK they are treated the same (for specialty training competition).

Previously there were some restriction for non UK citizens and they can only apply in Round 2 but that's now been scrapped.

With the introduction of UKMLA in 2024 / 2025 things will be even more equal between UK and international medical grads (to the UK) - because they'd both have to take the same test, as oppposed to currently no test except finals for UK grads + PLAB for international grads.
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Have you ever genuinely thought UK docs and foreign ones were treated the same?
well I know that england is a developed country so why would they be treated less?
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Lets imagine a 32 year old neurosurgeon decides he has had enough of the horrendous pay conpensation from the NHS and wants to relocate to america just for more money, is he looked down upon as there is already a shortage of doctors?
Do you think he deserves applauding or a medal?
What is the horrendous pay?

Why dont we ask ecolier as medical representative of the sub forum?
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(Original post by ecolier)
Actually, here in the UK they are treated the same (for specialty training competition).

Previously there were some restriction for non UK citizens and they can only apply in Round 2 but that's now been scrapped.

With the introduction of UKMLA in 2024 / 2025 things will be even more equal between UK and international medical grads (to the UK) - because they'd both have to take the same test, as oppposed to currently no test except finals for UK grads + PLAB for international grads.
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well I know that england is a developed country so why would they be treated less?
I'm not from a med background, but I meant the racism and a general hatred of foreigners.
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