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Given whats been happening in America most of 2020 I just cant shake the fear that it will eventually get worse during the run-up to the election and also after, possibly 10x worse.

On the one hand you have Trump which is a %90 chance of winning as the opposition seems to have sided with anarchy and destruction.

And on the other hand theres a slim chance 'Biden' may actually win because some people will always vote blue but some others may actually vote blue in fear of voting red should things get worse.

If Biden wins theres a chance it may have been a fake result due to the instability of mail-in voting.

If Trump wins the opposition may just refuse to accept defeat and the riots and destruction will get worse.

I feel as though whats happening there could potentially happen here when we have our next election...
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Given whats been happening in America most of 2020 I just cant shake the fear that it will eventually get worse during the run-up to the election and also after, possibly 10x worse.

On the one hand you have Trump which is a %90 chance of winning as the opposition seems to have sided with anarchy and destruction.

And on the other hand theres a slim chance 'Biden' may actually win because some people will always vote blue but some others may actually vote blue in fear of voting red should things get worse.

If Biden wins theres a chance it may have been a fake result due to the instability of mail-in voting.

If Trump wins the opposition may just refuse to accept defeat and the riots and destruction will get worse.

I feel as though whats happening there could potentially happen here when we have our next election...
American politics has always had an ugly face but since 2016 things have been taken to a whole new level. Let's remember that Trump entered the political stage piggybacking off this idea that Obama wasn't born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. He's made similar comments about Kamala Harris in recent weeks - can you ever imagine these style attacks happening in the UK?

Biden is ahead in the polls and most election models have him winning in November. The betting markets have him as slight favourite. The race has tightened over the past week but Biden is still the favourite.

If Biden wins there is absolutely no chance than mail-in voting fraud will have had a role to play. This bizarre conspiracy theory that the Trump camp have been peddling for months has absolutely no basis in reality. Main-in voting fraud is not a significant issue and will have next to no influence on the outcome of an election (either way).

It's funny how you suggest that if Trump wins that the opposition may refuse to accept - the reality is that if Biden wins the chances are that Trump himself will refuse to concede. Trump floated the idea of actually postponing the election and has suggested that the 'only reason' he may lose in November is because of a 'rigged election'. It's total hogwash.

For all that the 'special relationship' has brought us I'm glad as hell that politics is done slightly differently over here!
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American politics has always had an ugly face but since 2016 things have been taken to a whole new level. Let's remember that Trump entered the political stage piggybacking off this idea that Obama wasn't born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. He's made similar comments about Kamala Harris in recent weeks - can you ever imagine these style attacks happening in the UK?

Biden is ahead in the polls and most election models have him winning in November. The betting markets have him as slight favourite. The race has tightened over the past week but Biden is still the favourite.

If Biden wins there is absolutely no chance than mail-in voting fraud will have had a role to play. This bizarre conspiracy theory that the Trump camp have been peddling for months has absolutely no basis in reality. Main-in voting fraud is not a significant issue and will have next to no influence on the outcome of an election (either way).

It's funny how you suggest that if Trump wins that the opposition may refuse to accept - the reality is that if Biden wins the chances are that Trump himself will refuse to concede. Trump floated the idea of actually postponing the election and has suggested that the 'only reason' he may lose in November is because of a 'rigged election'. It's total hogwash.

For all that the 'special relationship' has brought us I'm glad as hell that politics is done slightly differently over here!
Let's remember that Trump entered the political stage piggybacking off this idea that Obama wasn't born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. He's made similar comments about Kamala Harris in recent weeks - can you ever imagine these style attacks happening in the UK?

I think Trump entered as like a joke, wanting to throw his hat in the ring and the game sort of laughed at him but reminded him what to do towards the end and thats simply bow out and endorse Hillary because its keeping the Clintons/Bushes in power longer. Then when Trump realised he had something big going on he gave the whole game the finger and realised he could actually win and become POTUS. Its a massive achievement for the life he's already had in business but also celeb/acting career. And thats why most dont see him as a career politician thats in it for vested interest. He's a businessman who's done business in a lot of countries and his main priority is making the profit, knowing how to get the biggest share. Its a complete different POV. You would suggest a pro-businessman rather than a career politician on how to help you with your money. Thats why people see him as a Money-President. And every family wants more money in their pockets rather than going out in pointless tax-programs created by previous career politicians.

And yes I can see these style-attacks happening in fact I think they happen on a day-to-day basis. Its more mud-slinging than anything else and 'he says - she says' attacks. he said a racist remark or slur years ago, she tweeted this. They did that in 2012, we did this in 2018 etc.

Biden is ahead in the polls and most election models have him winning in November. The betting markets have him as slight favourite. The race has tightened over the past week but Biden is still the favourite.

But this is something else we tend to see. It was the same in 2016, they gave Hillary a %98 of winning and Trump 8% - %14. Towards the end most of the country turned Red. The polls were wrong. Its also like the EU Ref. Remain had a higher chance. Then towards the end it was Leave. I cant say polls are reliable anymore because there're not aggregated properly.

If Biden wins there is absolutely no chance than mail-in voting fraud will have had a role to play. This bizarre conspiracy theory that the Trump camp have been peddling for months has absolutely no basis in reality. Main-in voting fraud is not a significant issue and will have next to no influence on the outcome of an election (either way).

I can say I have much of an answer to this but I believe voting in person, physically is the best and trusted way. Mail-in votes sounds like it has a lot of loop-holes. Although this is coming from a me who doesnt even vote in the UK

It's funny how you suggest that if Trump wins that the opposition may refuse to accept - the reality is that if Biden wins the chances are that Trump himself will refuse to concede. Trump floated the idea of actually postponing the election and has suggested that the 'only reason' he may lose in November is because of a 'rigged election'. It's total hogwash.

I think theres a slim chance. You do get voting fraud in the UK. I think the democrats will risk it, they have nothing to lose and have tried to remove a legally sitting president through dirty tactics like impeachment. I just dont see what the democrats are offering. If we was American how would you convince me to vote Blue. That voting blue may have a positive impact for me personally. And I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way just geniunely asking.
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I think Trump entered as like a joke, wanting to throw his hat in the ring and the game sort of laughed at him but reminded him what to do towards the end and thats simply bow out and endorse Hillary because its keeping the Clintons/Bushes in power longer. Then when Trump realised he had something big going on he gave the whole game the finger and realised he could actually win and become POTUS. Its a massive achievement for the life he's already had in business but also celeb/acting career. And thats why most dont see him as a career politician thats in it for vested interest. He's a businessman who's done business in a lot of countries and his main priority is making the profit, knowing how to get the biggest share. Its a complete different POV. You would suggest a pro-businessman rather than a career politician on how to help you with your money. Thats why people see him as a Money-President. And every family wants more money in their pockets rather than going out in pointless tax-programs created by previous career politicians.

And yes I can see these style-attacks happening in fact I think they happen on a day-to-day basis. Its more mud-slinging than anything else and 'he says - she says' attacks. he said a racist remark or slur years ago, she tweeted this. They did that in 2012, we did this in 2018 etc.

But this is something else we tend to see. It was the same in 2016, they gave Hillary a %98 of winning and Trump 8% - %14. Towards the end most of the country turned Red. The polls were wrong. Its also like the EU Ref. Remain had a higher chance. Then towards the end it was Leave. I cant say polls are reliable anymore because there're not aggregated properly.

I can say I have much of an answer to this but I believe voting in person, physically is the best and trusted way. Mail-in votes sounds like it has a lot of loop-holes. Although this is coming from a me who doesnt even vote in the UK

I think theres a slim chance. You do get voting fraud in the UK. I think the democrats will risk it, they have nothing to lose and have tried to remove a legally sitting president through dirty tactics like impeachment. I just dont see what the democrats are offering. If we was American how would you convince me to vote Blue. That voting blue may have a positive impact for me personally. And I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way just geniunely asking.
The man is a narcissist with a power-trip. I genuinely think his entry into politics was to feed his own ego and to try and provide as much of a shock-factor as he could. His personality and straight-talking style (despite being lie after lie) resonated with people and he caught the mainstream by surprise. They didn't - and to a large degree still don't - know how to react to him. Apparently he was pretty butt hurt when Obama humiliated him at the 2011 Correspondents Dinner - how much of a role this played I'm not sure.

A good businessman doesn't make for a good politician. A good businessman doesn't make for somebody that knows how to handle a country's economy. A good businessman doesn't make for a good leader. Trump totally lacks insight and depth, dismissing anyone that disagrees with him whilst cuddling up to ruthless tyrants like Putin, Xi, Jong-Un. He spends more time tweeting and watching Fox News than he does reading the daily national security briefings. Is that the sort of man people really want as President?

Politics in the UK is definitely more toxic and divisive than it was a few years ago. Social media and Brexit are the two biggest factors in this. Personality politics is more prevalent now than at any other time but I think we're a long way off the US style of political discourse.

Can you link any sources that give Trump a 90% chance of winning or is that just a hunch? National polls are usually a prediction of the popular vote and in 2016 they got this pretty spot on; Clinton won the popular vote by just over 2%. The US style Electoral College really clouded the contest. We shall see in November but I think a lot of Trumpians are clinging onto this hope that the polls will be wrong.

Voting in person probably is the best way - but that doesn't mean mail-in voting fraud is widespread and will have an influence on the contest as Trump has repeatedly tried to argue. Do you believe mail-in fraud will be a significant factor in the outcome of the November election?

Whatever your thoughts on Biden, he's a respectable career-politician who has the decorum that we expect from a POTUS candidate. If he loses in November he will most certainly concede fairly without dispute. There's no indication that he plans to play dirty or will question the legitimacy of the election - unlike Trump who is already suggesting he won't budge from the Whitehouse whatever happens.

It seems as though your mind is already made up between Trump-Biden, whatever I say won't budge that. Trump is a total whacko z-list celebrity that has gone rogue on a power-trip. He peddles bizarre conspiracy theories about just about anything, is a pathological liar that has made a string of racist and sexist remarks, and cuddles up to dictators around the globe. The man has no respect for his political opponents or even those around him or for the political office that he holds - I'd be ashamed to have him representing me on the international stage. I honestly don't think he has America's interests at heart, only his own.
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The man is a narcissist with a power-trip. I genuinely think his entry into politics was to feed his own ego and to try and provide as much of a shock-factor as he could. His personality and straight-talking style (despite being lie after lie) resonated with people and he caught the mainstream by surprise. They didn't - and to a large degree still don't - know how to react to him. Apparently he was pretty butt hurt when Obama humiliated him at the 2011 Correspondents Dinner - how much of a role this played I'm not sure.

The mans got a legacy to build I recommend you at least try to look into his past even if you dont like him and not wanting you to like him but just out of interest what he's done. He actually kick-started NYC. It had the infrastructure but just no businesses or trade. He renovated and bought out buildings and made hotels, ice-rinks and casinos. Thats jobs for people. Trumps always been recognised and respected even before becoming president. It slipped my mind he was actually on Home-Alone 2 (a favourite childhood movie of mine) you should look at his guest appearances on sit-coms and other shows. How he acts on programs is exactly how he acts in real life. Theres no persona. He's literally just being himself. And people loved that. Another was Zoolander even if it was 3secs long. Everyone wanted him in movies and shows. Because he's a showman and a businessman. Its nothing to the people of the UK obviously but to the US its a lot. Politicians are boring, they lack life, cant relate with you and lack charisma. Thats why most just read off a tele-prompter and written speech. Trump does that but you can tell when he's going off script and that brings in the charisma. He also trolls on purpose, he knows people are watching carefully and he wants people to meme him. Thats relatable to newer generations. Most politicans dont even understand the internet, not relatable, especially when Cable/TV is barely watched these days.

A good businessman doesn't make for a good politician. A good businessman doesn't make for somebody that knows how to handle a country's economy. A good businessman doesn't make for a good leader. Trump totally lacks insight and depth, dismissing anyone that disagrees with him whilst cuddling up to ruthless tyrants like Putin, Xi, Jong-Un. He spends more time tweeting and watching Fox News than he does reading the daily national security briefings. Is that the sort of man people really want as President?

Being a good businessman actually has its perks especially if you have been around the world because business is different depending which country and culture you are dealing with. This is something politicians lack. I could never imagine our MP's/PM's hard-balling other countries especially China. Instead of asking questions they simply agree, smile and nod. So long as it makes money they will take it. And its money for themselves not the economy. Hence why most of our PM's will sell assets off to China. I actually forgotten May was giving control of our power to China through the Hinkley power-plant deal. A foreign communist country was going to be in control of a British power-plant. Then there're was the Hauwei deal. Giving China control of our digital information in exchange for streaming movies faster. She was a terrible PM and Cameron was exactly the same. Thats because they lack charisma and business acumen. I dont think Russia is really an enemy anymore. And if there was an enemy its now China. We live in a very anti-russian state. But Russia has never done anything to affect our lives or at least in my life. Being former KGB I'm sure he's done shady stuff but I think he is afraid of losing control of Russia to a foreign power. Just like what nearly happened to us with May and the EU. Let him do what he thinks safe of his country of Russia. Trump hard-balls Xi and he likely should. He doesnt cuddle with Xi. In fact Trump is Xi's worst nemesis because he understands how Chinese businesses work. Very different to American I can imagine. Thats why he kicked off a trade-war. Whatever trade deal they were willing to sign it scared them so much they purposely started a pandemic in order to delay it. Look at the timing of the virus and the trade-deal. As for Kim, I think it was a massive effort from Trump to at least come to Korean soil and try to work out a peace-deal. It would have been fantastic because N/S Korea actually looks nice with interesting sights. But clearly there was something Trump wasnt happy with. My guess Kim wanted ALL restrictions lifted BEFORE getting rid of possible Nuclear weapons where as Trump would have lifted restrictions 5 years after they get rid of the weapons. It would have been a bad idea to sign an agreement with so little trust. Especially when most Asian countries hate each other, Japan, China, Korea, from wars of the past. Its just a circle of hate and grudges. No one can let the past go. Which is a shame. Japan is my favourite country btw!

Politics in the UK is definitely more toxic and divisive than it was a few years ago. Social media and Brexit are the two biggest factors in this. Personality politics is more prevalent now than at any other time but I think we're a long way off the US style of political discourse.

Since social media went full swing everyone has the ability to voice their opinion. Its both good and bad. But at the same time political bubbles have been burst. MP's or PM's cant hide dirty secrets anymore thanks to instant sharing via social media. Like the endless boats France keep pushing onto Dover. Go back to the early 2000's and 90's word would have barely got out. Brexit most likely wouldnt have happened either because everyone would have no choice but to get their information from state media. Which only give you their side of things. Not both. Not yours either mine for the matter. And it still happens now. Just people tune more into the internet than watching carefully selected opinion pieces on TV. Me and you are doing that now. We are exchanging views. The sad part is some people just dont like it. Whether I am right or wrong I have been deleted and blocked by friends on Facebook. Might I suggest you Youtube the S3 Plan. Its from an old PS2 game but it actually predicts this would happen in the digital information age. Its scary coming from a 2001 PS2 game lol

Can you link any sources that give Trump a 90% chance of winning or is that just a hunch? National polls are usually a prediction of the popular vote and in 2016 they got this pretty spot on; Clinton won the popular vote by just over 2%. The US style Electoral College really clouded the contest. We shall see in November but I think a lot of Trumpians are clinging onto this hope that the polls will be wrong

I get my sources from an abundance of political commentaries on Youtube. They are not fans of either side. They will agree/bash Trump etc. But I have watched the same ones and usually they are right in most cases. But thats me comparing with another channel, with another, then a website. I read a bunch and formulate what I think he right. And usually its never over mainstream sites like BBC. Because they are very one-sided. I dont fully know how polls work because all I hear is that they are usually wrong. I dont get the 'popular vote' thing. The end result was Trump. To me its like saying 'Leeds UTD lost 1-0 to Man UTD but Leeds still wins because of ball possession' people went to the booths and voted. Then the Electoral College came and again it was a Trump win. But one side refused to admit defeat. And instead the message was 'resist' thats not respecting the democratic result.

Voting in person probably is the best way - but that doesn't mean mail-in voting fraud is widespread and will have an influence on the contest as Trump has repeatedly tried to argue. Do you believe mail-in fraud will be a significant factor in the outcome of the November election?

I'm afraid I'm not fully clued up on voting in the US. Heck I dont even vote in the UK. I know there can be slight fraud in the UK if people live in more than one address. I think Trump would rather have people vote in person. Its not so much fraud but you are giving your vote through a lot of hands which mishaps can happen. Like simply losing it or it gets damaged. I think in US they use machines. Where as we use cards and put it in a box. Mate for all we know the voting stations will be burnt down as it gets closer something else I fear.

Whatever your thoughts on Biden, he's a respectable career-politician who has the decorum that we expect from a POTUS candidate. If he loses in November he will most certainly concede fairly without dispute. There's no indication that he plans to play dirty or will question the legitimacy of the election - unlike Trump who is already suggesting he won't budge from the Whitehouse whatever happens.

I think Biden is quite tainted with the long political history and being a part of war-hawk presidents they have had in the past. But they dont call him 'Creepy uncle Joe' for no reason. He is a sexual deviant. Perhaps Trump is as well. But Biden is just full of it. I've seen a lot of footage of him getting close to women, touching women and even putting his lips on a 13 year old girls cheek who was visibly uncomfortable. I can show you this if you request. But I've watched it 5 times and I not only look at Biden's body language but also the girl and particularly the girls mother, who cocks her head low to listen to what Biden was whispering to her daughter and her face complete stoic. It was very weird. As for Biden now. Well yes you are correct on who I am leaning towards most. But Biden can't lead. I hope you are at least aware a vote for Biden isn't for Biden presidency. He wont last at his current cognitive state. If you are rooting for the man (and I can respect that) but I hope you have at least witnessed his coverage. I'd like to see anything Trump says to be linked to racism but so far I havent. Only Biden with his 'if you dont vote me your not black' comment. The man looks very 'out of it' the things he says. 'End of quote' he also read during a speech. He doesnt take hard questions. He hasn't laid out anything for the future should he win. I havent heard a single policy other than 'no tax raises'. He's hoping to win by siding with rioters and using the rioters to get votes. That is siding with political violence. If I was in America I would vote Trump, even if I hated him like you do, I would never vote for someone who sides with fanatical groups that want to destroy police forces. Because that WILL put you at risk.


..wow my hands hurt. But this was good. If you are living in America i just hope your far away from such dangers over there
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Can't tell if OP is trolling or just incredibly but sincerely gullible.

That said, it's true that the election could well be a very dangerous flashpoint for the US. Really the only plausible outcome that won't be dangerous is a comfortable Democratic victory.
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Can't tell if OP is trolling or just incredibly but sincerely gullible.

That said, it's true that the election could well be a very dangerous flashpoint for the US. Really the only plausible outcome that won't be dangerous is a comfortable Democratic victory.
No not trolling. People like to copycat. If say for e.g (and this is my prediction) Trump will win but the opposition will refuse the outcome, demand an investigation or accuse Russia was behind it or whatever. Then the rioting will intensify. So lets say some people in the UK, 'Well if next election doesnt go my way I will riot' Its highly possible. X-R and ANTIFA are cut from the same cloth
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(and this is my prediction) Trump will win
The question I keep asking but without any satisfactory answers is how you (and others) get there?

Trump won in 2016 despite the Democrats polling 3 million votes more because Trump won a number of states by narrow margins. In other words, he got the votes in the right places. 3 million was the largest loss of the popular vote by a winning candidate in US history.

The Republican voter base is considerably older than the Democratic one. Therefore more Republicans die. Young people and naturalised Americans heavily vote Democrat. As a result, the electorate moves Democrat at each election unless the Republicans "convert" former Democrats.

As result, Trump needs new voters (either Hillary voters or stay at homes) who didn't vote for him 2016 or he needs Hillary supporters to stay home in 2020. Simply keeping the voters he had in 2016 isn't enough.

Where is the evidence for these new voters or of a rejection of Biden by Hillary voters?
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The question I keep asking but without any satisfactory answers is how you (and others) get there?

Trump won in 2016 despite the Democrats polling 3 million votes more because Trump won a number of states by narrow margins. In other words, he got the votes in the right places. 3 million was the largest loss of the popular vote by a winning candidate in US history.

The Republican voter base is considerably older than the Democratic one. Therefore more Republicans die. Young people and naturalised Americans heavily vote Democrat. As a result, the electorate moves Democrat at each election unless the Republicans "convert" former Democrats.

As result, Trump needs new voters (either Hillary voters or stay at homes) who didn't vote for him 2016 or he needs Hillary supporters to stay home in 2020. Simply keeping the voters he had in 2016 isn't enough.

Where is the evidence for these new voters or of a rejection of Biden by Hillary voters?
I dont quite understand what you mean here. I dont like in the US obviously. My main concern and reason for posting is copycats exist. Rioting in the US will likely happen in the UK. Thats what I'm worried about. The groups you have in US, you have in UK.

As for US election I believe those who voted Hillary will swing and vote Trump. I believe Trump has accomplished a lot in his first term. He could have done a lot more if it wasn't for the opposition trying to illegally impeach him. He's been fighting impeachment at least once a year. But the democrats have turned into a resistance group. They are more activist. And have done nothing to entice people to vote for them. Its just been anti-Trump rhetoric. Instead of trying to stir up hate they should have learned and reflected. Change. Find their 'Trump'. Democrats have no one to challenge Trump because he's just too showman and charismatic. He trolls others to make people laugh. He made Hillary look like a nattering old granny shouting at children to be quiet. Biden is just too old and is suffering with alzheimers. You only need but look at Biden in 2016 and compare him to now. He cant form sentences. And it can be quite common for people but for Biden is literally every time. He called himself Joe Biden's Husband. And aside from that I cant think of what the democrats tend to do in the future should they win. But you cant win an election by siding with people who want to burn, loot and destroy peoples lives. Biden lost the moment he took the knee. To me, thats submission.
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The man is a narcissist with a power-trip. I genuinely think his entry into politics was to feed his own ego and to try and provide as much of a shock-factor as he could. His personality and straight-talking style (despite being lie after lie) resonated with people and he caught the mainstream by surprise. They didn't - and to a large degree still don't - know how to react to him. Apparently he was pretty butt hurt when Obama humiliated him at the 2011 Correspondents Dinner - how much of a role this played I'm not sure.

The mans got a legacy to build I recommend you at least try to look into his past even if you dont like him and not wanting you to like him but just out of interest what he's done. He actually kick-started NYC. It had the infrastructure but just no businesses or trade. He renovated and bought out buildings and made hotels, ice-rinks and casinos. Thats jobs for people. Trumps always been recognised and respected even before becoming president. It slipped my mind he was actually on Home-Alone 2 (a favourite childhood movie of mine) you should look at his guest appearances on sit-coms and other shows. How he acts on programs is exactly how he acts in real life. Theres no persona. He's literally just being himself. And people loved that. Another was Zoolander even if it was 3secs long. Everyone wanted him in movies and shows. Because he's a showman and a businessman. Its nothing to the people of the UK obviously but to the US its a lot. Politicians are boring, they lack life, cant relate with you and lack charisma. Thats why most just read off a tele-prompter and written speech. Trump does that but you can tell when he's going off script and that brings in the charisma. He also trolls on purpose, he knows people are watching carefully and he wants people to meme him. Thats relatable to newer generations. Most politicans dont even understand the internet, not relatable, especially when Cable/TV is barely watched these days.

A good businessman doesn't make for a good politician. A good businessman doesn't make for somebody that knows how to handle a country's economy. A good businessman doesn't make for a good leader. Trump totally lacks insight and depth, dismissing anyone that disagrees with him whilst cuddling up to ruthless tyrants like Putin, Xi, Jong-Un. He spends more time tweeting and watching Fox News than he does reading the daily national security briefings. Is that the sort of man people really want as President?

Being a good businessman actually has its perks especially if you have been around the world because business is different depending which country and culture you are dealing with. This is something politicians lack. I could never imagine our MP's/PM's hard-balling other countries especially China. Instead of asking questions they simply agree, smile and nod. So long as it makes money they will take it. And its money for themselves not the economy. Hence why most of our PM's will sell assets off to China. I actually forgotten May was giving control of our power to China through the Hinkley power-plant deal. A foreign communist country was going to be in control of a British power-plant. Then there're was the Hauwei deal. Giving China control of our digital information in exchange for streaming movies faster. She was a terrible PM and Cameron was exactly the same. Thats because they lack charisma and business acumen. I dont think Russia is really an enemy anymore. And if there was an enemy its now China. We live in a very anti-russian state. But Russia has never done anything to affect our lives or at least in my life. Being former KGB I'm sure he's done shady stuff but I think he is afraid of losing control of Russia to a foreign power. Just like what nearly happened to us with May and the EU. Let him do what he thinks safe of his country of Russia. Trump hard-balls Xi and he likely should. He doesnt cuddle with Xi. In fact Trump is Xi's worst nemesis because he understands how Chinese businesses work. Very different to American I can imagine. Thats why he kicked off a trade-war. Whatever trade deal they were willing to sign it scared them so much they purposely started a pandemic in order to delay it. Look at the timing of the virus and the trade-deal. As for Kim, I think it was a massive effort from Trump to at least come to Korean soil and try to work out a peace-deal. It would have been fantastic because N/S Korea actually looks nice with interesting sights. But clearly there was something Trump wasnt happy with. My guess Kim wanted ALL restrictions lifted BEFORE getting rid of possible Nuclear weapons where as Trump would have lifted restrictions 5 years after they get rid of the weapons. It would have been a bad idea to sign an agreement with so little trust. Especially when most Asian countries hate each other, Japan, China, Korea, from wars of the past. Its just a circle of hate and grudges. No one can let the past go. Which is a shame. Japan is my favourite country btw!

Politics in the UK is definitely more toxic and divisive than it was a few years ago. Social media and Brexit are the two biggest factors in this. Personality politics is more prevalent now than at any other time but I think we're a long way off the US style of political discourse.

Since social media went full swing everyone has the ability to voice their opinion. Its both good and bad. But at the same time political bubbles have been burst. MP's or PM's cant hide dirty secrets anymore thanks to instant sharing via social media. Like the endless boats France keep pushing onto Dover. Go back to the early 2000's and 90's word would have barely got out. Brexit most likely wouldnt have happened either because everyone would have no choice but to get their information from state media. Which only give you their side of things. Not both. Not yours either mine for the matter. And it still happens now. Just people tune more into the internet than watching carefully selected opinion pieces on TV. Me and you are doing that now. We are exchanging views. The sad part is some people just dont like it. Whether I am right or wrong I have been deleted and blocked by friends on Facebook. Might I suggest you Youtube the S3 Plan. Its from an old PS2 game but it actually predicts this would happen in the digital information age. Its scary coming from a 2001 PS2 game lol

Can you link any sources that give Trump a 90% chance of winning or is that just a hunch? National polls are usually a prediction of the popular vote and in 2016 they got this pretty spot on; Clinton won the popular vote by just over 2%. The US style Electoral College really clouded the contest. We shall see in November but I think a lot of Trumpians are clinging onto this hope that the polls will be wrong

I get my sources from an abundance of political commentaries on Youtube. They are not fans of either side. They will agree/bash Trump etc. But I have watched the same ones and usually they are right in most cases. But thats me comparing with another channel, with another, then a website. I read a bunch and formulate what I think he right. And usually its never over mainstream sites like BBC. Because they are very one-sided. I dont fully know how polls work because all I hear is that they are usually wrong. I dont get the 'popular vote' thing. The end result was Trump. To me its like saying 'Leeds UTD lost 1-0 to Man UTD but Leeds still wins because of ball possession' people went to the booths and voted. Then the Electoral College came and again it was a Trump win. But one side refused to admit defeat. And instead the message was 'resist' thats not respecting the democratic result.

Voting in person probably is the best way - but that doesn't mean mail-in voting fraud is widespread and will have an influence on the contest as Trump has repeatedly tried to argue. Do you believe mail-in fraud will be a significant factor in the outcome of the November election?

I'm afraid I'm not fully clued up on voting in the US. Heck I dont even vote in the UK. I know there can be slight fraud in the UK if people live in more than one address. I think Trump would rather have people vote in person. Its not so much fraud but you are giving your vote through a lot of hands which mishaps can happen. Like simply losing it or it gets damaged. I think in US they use machines. Where as we use cards and put it in a box. Mate for all we know the voting stations will be burnt down as it gets closer something else I fear.

Whatever your thoughts on Biden, he's a respectable career-politician who has the decorum that we expect from a POTUS candidate. If he loses in November he will most certainly concede fairly without dispute. There's no indication that he plans to play dirty or will question the legitimacy of the election - unlike Trump who is already suggesting he won't budge from the Whitehouse whatever happens.

I think Biden is quite tainted with the long political history and being a part of war-hawk presidents they have had in the past. But they dont call him 'Creepy uncle Joe' for no reason. He is a sexual deviant. Perhaps Trump is as well. But Biden is just full of it. I've seen a lot of footage of him getting close to women, touching women and even putting his lips on a 13 year old girls cheek who was visibly uncomfortable. I can show you this if you request. But I've watched it 5 times and I not only look at Biden's body language but also the girl and particularly the girls mother, who cocks her head low to listen to what Biden was whispering to her daughter and her face complete stoic. It was very weird. As for Biden now. Well yes you are correct on who I am leaning towards most. But Biden can't lead. I hope you are at least aware a vote for Biden isn't for Biden presidency. He wont last at his current cognitive state. If you are rooting for the man (and I can respect that) but I hope you have at least witnessed his coverage. I'd like to see anything Trump says to be linked to racism but so far I havent. Only Biden with his 'if you dont vote me your not black' comment. The man looks very 'out of it' the things he says. 'End of quote' he also read during a speech. He doesnt take hard questions. He hasn't laid out anything for the future should he win. I havent heard a single policy other than 'no tax raises'. He's hoping to win by siding with rioters and using the rioters to get votes. That is siding with political violence. If I was in America I would vote Trump, even if I hated him like you do, I would never vote for someone who sides with fanatical groups that want to destroy police forces. Because that WILL put you at risk.


..wow my hands hurt. But this was good. If you are living in America i just hope your far away from such dangers over there
I'll be totally honest, that's one hell of a mammoth post and I don't fancy replying to it in its entirety - would take hours to go through point by point!

Cameos on Hollywood sets or talkshows may make him relatable and less stiff but that's not what makes a good President (that being said I believe Obama pulled off the charisma and likeable persona better than Trump). He's a showman and a businessman - and this may attract some people - but for a man that must guide the biggest ship through the most rough seas he's just not cut out for the job. I believe Trump likes to give the impression that he's hard-balling these dictators, sadly the insiders tell a totally different story. Trump is a people pleaser - he'll say whatever he thinks the people he's talking to would like to hear. The John Bolton leaks confirmed this a short while back (Trump seeking help from Xi to win a re-election) as did the recently unveiled Kim Jong-Un 'Love Letters'.

I'm not justifying the 2016 result by trying to muddy the water re. popular vote/electoral college. The reality is that the US electoral system is broken meaning a handful of marginals are pivotal come election time. A very small swing in just a few battlegrounds can have a colossal impact on the outcome; these are the battlegrounds that 2020 will be won or lost on. The point of saying this is to show that a simple retort such as "the polls were wrong in 2016 and they'll likely be wrong again in November" is seriously short-sighted and naive.

Who 'refused to accept defeat' in 2016? Clinton conceded the election fairly without complaint and even gave a pretty candid Concession Speech. I'll say it again: the only person you should be worried about crying foul play in November is Trump. Trump toyed with the idea of postponing the election and has said the only way he can lose is it the election is 'rigged'.

I understand you're not clued up about voting in the US but you made a pretty wild statement that Biden winning could be due to mail-voting. This is a total lie being spun by Trump and Trump only. He knows that Dem voters are much more likely to vote via mail-in and he is trying to callously seize an opportunity to play dirty. There is no evidence that fraud by mail-in is going to play a role in the outcome.

I'll just take this opportunity to remind you that Donald Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. There's even an entire wikipedia page dedicated to the allegations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations

His comments about Mexicans bringing "crime, rape, drugs" (though he did add "some are good" which was nice of him) have widely been seen as racist remarks. He spoke of some African countries being "**** holes" and told congresswomen of colour to "fix the broken and crime infested places from which they came", not to mention bizarrely & aggressively harassing Obama about his country of birth without a shred of evidence. There was the muslim ban, the Central Park jogger case in the 1990s against five young black men, retweeting of white supremacist accounts on twitter; the list is endless. David Duke (former grand wizard of the KKK) is a big fan, as is influential neo-Nazi Richard Spencer that said people should "party like its 1933" after Trump was elected - I wonder why? :confused:

Biden doesn't exactly inspire hope but I don't think he has to. He just needs to present himself as stable and sane. There's no evidence Biden is ill or has any cognitive impairment - just last week he had medical assessments released saying he was healthy. These cut-pasted compilations of him slurring words or rambling are unfair harassment and could be done to just about anyone. Trump can pronounce words greater than 3 syllables - making so many gaffes in fact that The Daily Show do yearly compilations (linked below). Listening to Trump try and pronounce 'anonymous' is a personal favourite of mine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfOQBY5BrUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Thankfully I'm from the UK also!
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Given whats been happening in America most of 2020 I just cant shake the fear that it will eventually get worse during the run-up to the election and also after, possibly 10x worse.

On the one hand you have Trump which is a %90 chance of winning as the opposition seems to have sided with anarchy and destruction.

And on the other hand theres a slim chance 'Biden' may actually win because some people will always vote blue but some others may actually vote blue in fear of voting red should things get worse.

If Biden wins theres a chance it may have been a fake result due to the instability of mail-in voting.

If Trump wins the opposition may just refuse to accept defeat and the riots and destruction will get worse.

I feel as though whats happening there could potentially happen here when we have our next election...
Maybe this is true but you can't deny the fact that President Trump is a loser with no integrity whatsoever.
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Maybe this is true but you can't deny the fact that President Trump is a loser with no integrity whatsoever.
Hi mate your free to say whatever. No one can be forced to like someone. But to call him a loser with no integrity is just baseless really. He's lived a successful life and operated businesses around the world. And become POTUS and has done alright in his first term. He is good at bringing jobs in and reforming trade deals to America walks out bigger. To have no integrity you cant become POTUS. But power to you matey
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Cameos on Hollywood sets or talkshows may make him relatable and less stiff but that's not what makes a good President (that being said I believe Obama pulled off the charisma and likeable persona better than Trump). He's a showman and a businessman - and this may attract some people - but for a man that must guide the biggest ship through the most rough seas he's just not cut out for the job. I believe Trump likes to give the impression that he's hard-balling these dictators, sadly the insiders tell a totally different story. Trump is a people pleaser - he'll say whatever he thinks the people he's talking to would like to hear. The John Bolton leaks confirmed this a short while back (Trump seeking help from Xi to win a re-election) as did the recently unveiled Kim Jong-Un 'Love Letters'.

It gives you experience in front of a camera. He just seems different to those who stare blankly at the cameras and answer questions that they have already practice for. I actually liked Obama BUT theres a lot of things I dont approve of and that was carrying on the long expensive wars that Bush started. But he was more for drones and less troops. It just hasnt served anything. I think anyone who was in Trump's circle is just wanting to make money and sell books like this 'fire & fury' book. For Xi, theres no love between the two at all. Xi definitely wanted to cosy up to Trump. If you think back when Trump visited China Xi had it all laid out for him, parades, red carpet etc. Thats trying to get on your good side. If you compare that to when Obama came he had nothing like that, just his special transport waiting outside. That shows disrespect. Because Obama was what you call an apologist president. He always bowed basically. I havent looked into the 'Love letters' thing. Because it was on Sky I tend not to look into it. Because Sky sells fake news. I've never hated MSM so much especially over C19. They have warped peoples minds. But North Korea will ALWAYS be North Korea. A secretive hermit country that possibly tortures its own people who step out of line. But at least Trump tried to broker a peace deal between North & South. I dont think you will ever get a US president in Korea for a long time. Unless a lot of money is involved.

Who 'refused to accept defeat' in 2016? Clinton conceded the election fairly without complaint and even gave a pretty candid Concession Speech. I'll say it again: the only person you should be worried about crying foul play in November is Trump. Trump toyed with the idea of postponing the election and has said the only way he can lose is it the election is 'rigged'.

Clinton didn't appear on the night the results were in. Some say she was too drunk to show. Although she did eventually come up and accept defeat and said to give the new president a chance, to which I respect. But it wasnt too long when she kept showing her face and adamant that she was cheated out, that the world was against her. She herself is to blame, especially when you call your own people 'deplorables' it was a bad move. She seemed to be having a lot of death issues too like fits, coughing fits, she passed out on the 9/11 anniversary. It wasnt a good look. But most of the rioters in the US will likely be past Hillary voters. Its just a shame she cant show her face now and at least condemn them, try to put a message out that simmers the riots.

I understand you're not clued up about voting in the US but you made a pretty wild statement that Biden winning could be due to mail-voting. This is a total lie being spun by Trump and Trump only. He knows that Dem voters are much more likely to vote via mail-in and he is trying to callously seize an opportunity to play dirty. There is no evidence that fraud by mail-in is going to play a role in the outcome.

I think its quite important to vote in person then you know for definite its done. For mail I think it can be risky. Especially with the rioting, C19 restrictions etc theres a lot of room for error. You wouldn't post physical money in the off-chance it gets lost or misplaced etc. But thats just me. Voting in person is the most reliable way unless you are heavily disabled then I can understand

I'll just take this opportunity to remind you that Donald Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. There's even an entire wikipedia page dedicated to the allegations.

I can imagine mate. But these 'allegations' can spring up for political gain. I'm quite tired of the stories of 'he said/she said' Its like with the new supreme court judge thing ( cant remember his name) that because he was getting a big position all of the sudden something he did at 18 at a house party because someone may have saw him do something and that someone told someone else etc. You see it all the time. Its really hard to believe in these things without proper evidence. Its like if we were best mates and known each other for 25 years. But your getting a massive promotion and I get jealous. So I try to dob you in that you said something racist at school to someone who hasnt been seen in years. And it puts your promotion at risk. And you just dont know yourself because we left school 15 years ago.




His comments about Mexicans bringing "crime, rape, drugs" (though he did add "some are good" which was nice of him) have widely been seen as racist remarks. He spoke of some African countries being "**** holes" and told congresswomen of colour to "fix the broken and crime infested places from which they came", not to mention bizarrely & aggressively harassing Obama about his country of birth without a shred of evidence. There was the muslim ban, the Central Park jogger case in the 1990s against five young black men, retweeting of white supremacist accounts on twitter; the list is endless. David Duke (former grand wizard of the KKK) is a big fan, as is influential neo-Nazi Richard Spencer that said people should "party like its 1933" after Trump was elected - I wonder why? :confused:

But America has a border issue with Mexico. Whats find to find in the US may be easy to find in Mexico so they hire people to bring it across the border. It is quite a similar situaiton to the UK in Dover to which I can fully understand. There are people who may mean no harm but still break the law and put their lives at risk not coming through the legal way. But in every 500 that comes at least 5 will come with ill intentions. To which we have always seen this. I'm not being funny but there are s**t-hole countries in this world. You wouldnt class Tobaygo or Somalia as nice places. Some places in the UK I consider s**t-holes. I live in Leeds and theres some alright places in Leeds but some places are not safe to walk around at especially at night. And those places are majority foreign nationals like pakistani's, romanians, Africans etc. I've known places in Leeds that used to be majority Jewish and were fine places. But when you had other foreign nationals move in, the Jewish quickly moved away. And those places turned back. I remember few years back I went to pick a friend up and she lived in an area called Armley. And I hated parking up waiting for her. There was always something going on. But one occasion I saw a pack of kids aged 6 - 13. Most werent wearing shoes, one was wearing a nappy and a t-shirt. One looked 11 and he was in shorts, t-shirt and wore black leather gloves with studds on them. Smoking and spitting as well. It just looked so bizzare. despite them being kids I was quite intimidated by them. They all stood in front of my car, one was sat on bonnet. I wanted to do something but I knew the families would jump out every window and door if I did. So it was tense. It wasnt a muslim ban, it was a ban on majority muslim countries because of a terrorist attack. Muslims could still come say if they were coming from a country that wasnt under the ban. It was just a knee-jerk reaction from some people. Like China for e.g. People said it was racist to ban all incoming Chinese flights but now they are saying Trump should have done more to stop the spread of c19. So you cant get it right for some people. Your darned if you do, darned if you dont. Mate thats just Twitter. Thats all I can say. Its sad that even news organisations are more bothered about what people tweet. I dont like Twitter. Dont like Facebook either. I suppose this site is quite similar but I have neither Facebook or Twitter. So this is like my last one...till I get bored of it maybe lol but its fun talking to people. Like this I mean. Good for the brain...bad for the hands (clicks wrists) lol


Biden doesn't exactly inspire hope but I don't think he has to. He just needs to present himself as stable and sane. There's no evidence Biden is ill or has any cognitive impairment - just last week he had medical assessments released saying he was healthy. These cut-pasted compilations of him slurring words or rambling are unfair harassment and could be done to just about anyone. Trump can pronounce words greater than 3 syllables - making so many gaffes in fact that The Daily Show do yearly compilations (linked below). Listening to Trump try and pronounce 'anonymous' is a personal favourite of mine!

Present himself as stable and sane! lmao. I think thats a task too great to take lol No I believe everyone can slip their tongues I tend to do it. I think its like when the brain gets too far ahead than the mouth or..vice-versa lol With Biden its like he will say something..realise, smile and play it off. Like when he got mixed up where he actually was then said it was a place he used to work at..which turned out to be a joke... Well a medical assessment will have to say he's healthy and no issues...because the election is like 50 days away. To say theres a problem I dont think you will get an election. Unless his running mate does it instead but that rocks the entire campaign out of whack. The latest one was a pre-recorded question from a webcam to which got shown to Biden. Before biden answered he said 'move it up here' which was obviously the teleprompter, or answer even. But thats just me making my judgement.

That was funny though.
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Biden doesn't exactly inspire hope but I don't think he has to. He just needs to present himself as stable and sane. There's no evidence Biden is ill or has any cognitive impairment - just last week he had medical assessments released saying he was healthy. These cut-pasted compilations of him slurring words or rambling are unfair harassment and could be done to just about anyone. Trump can pronounce words greater than 3 syllables - making so many gaffes in fact that The Daily Show do yearly compilations (linked below). Listening to Trump try and pronounce 'anonymous' is a personal favourite of mine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfOQBY5BrUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Thankfully I'm from the UK also!
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Cameos on Hollywood sets or talkshows may make him relatable and less stiff but that's not what makes a good President (that being said I believe Obama pulled off the charisma and likeable persona better than Trump). He's a showman and a businessman - and this may attract some people - but for a man that must guide the biggest ship through the most rough seas he's just not cut out for the job. I believe Trump likes to give the impression that he's hard-balling these dictators, sadly the insiders tell a totally different story. Trump is a people pleaser - he'll say whatever he thinks the people he's talking to would like to hear. The John Bolton leaks confirmed this a short while back (Trump seeking help from Xi to win a re-election) as did the recently unveiled Kim Jong-Un 'Love Letters'.

It gives you experience in front of a camera. He just seems different to those who stare blankly at the cameras and answer questions that they have already practice for. I actually liked Obama BUT theres a lot of things I dont approve of and that was carrying on the long expensive wars that Bush started. But he was more for drones and less troops. It just hasnt served anything. I think anyone who was in Trump's circle is just wanting to make money and sell books like this 'fire & fury' book. For Xi, theres no love between the two at all. Xi definitely wanted to cosy up to Trump. If you think back when Trump visited China Xi had it all laid out for him, parades, red carpet etc. Thats trying to get on your good side. If you compare that to when Obama came he had nothing like that, just his special transport waiting outside. That shows disrespect. Because Obama was what you call an apologist president. He always bowed basically. I havent looked into the 'Love letters' thing. Because it was on Sky I tend not to look into it. Because Sky sells fake news. I've never hated MSM so much especially over C19. They have warped peoples minds. But North Korea will ALWAYS be North Korea. A secretive hermit country that possibly tortures its own people who step out of line. But at least Trump tried to broker a peace deal between North & South. I dont think you will ever get a US president in Korea for a long time. Unless a lot of money is involved.

Who 'refused to accept defeat' in 2016? Clinton conceded the election fairly without complaint and even gave a pretty candid Concession Speech. I'll say it again: the only person you should be worried about crying foul play in November is Trump. Trump toyed with the idea of postponing the election and has said the only way he can lose is it the election is 'rigged'.

Clinton didn't appear on the night the results were in. Some say she was too drunk to show. Although she did eventually come up and accept defeat and said to give the new president a chance, to which I respect. But it wasnt too long when she kept showing her face and adamant that she was cheated out, that the world was against her. She herself is to blame, especially when you call your own people 'deplorables' it was a bad move. She seemed to be having a lot of death issues too like fits, coughing fits, she passed out on the 9/11 anniversary. It wasnt a good look. But most of the rioters in the US will likely be past Hillary voters. Its just a shame she cant show her face now and at least condemn them, try to put a message out that simmers the riots.

I understand you're not clued up about voting in the US but you made a pretty wild statement that Biden winning could be due to mail-voting. This is a total lie being spun by Trump and Trump only. He knows that Dem voters are much more likely to vote via mail-in and he is trying to callously seize an opportunity to play dirty. There is no evidence that fraud by mail-in is going to play a role in the outcome.

I think its quite important to vote in person then you know for definite its done. For mail I think it can be risky. Especially with the rioting, C19 restrictions etc theres a lot of room for error. You wouldn't post physical money in the off-chance it gets lost or misplaced etc. But thats just me. Voting in person is the most reliable way unless you are heavily disabled then I can understand

I'll just take this opportunity to remind you that Donald Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 25 women since the 1970s. There's even an entire wikipedia page dedicated to the allegations.

I can imagine mate. But these 'allegations' can spring up for political gain. I'm quite tired of the stories of 'he said/she said' Its like with the new supreme court judge thing ( cant remember his name) that because he was getting a big position all of the sudden something he did at 18 at a house party because someone may have saw him do something and that someone told someone else etc. You see it all the time. Its really hard to believe in these things without proper evidence. Its like if we were best mates and known each other for 25 years. But your getting a massive promotion and I get jealous. So I try to dob you in that you said something racist at school to someone who hasnt been seen in years. And it puts your promotion at risk. And you just dont know yourself because we left school 15 years ago.




His comments about Mexicans bringing "crime, rape, drugs" (though he did add "some are good" which was nice of him) have widely been seen as racist remarks. He spoke of some African countries being "**** holes" and told congresswomen of colour to "fix the broken and crime infested places from which they came", not to mention bizarrely & aggressively harassing Obama about his country of birth without a shred of evidence. There was the muslim ban, the Central Park jogger case in the 1990s against five young black men, retweeting of white supremacist accounts on twitter; the list is endless. David Duke (former grand wizard of the KKK) is a big fan, as is influential neo-Nazi Richard Spencer that said people should "party like its 1933" after Trump was elected - I wonder why? :confused:

But America has a border issue with Mexico. Whats find to find in the US may be easy to find in Mexico so they hire people to bring it across the border. It is quite a similar situaiton to the UK in Dover to which I can fully understand. There are people who may mean no harm but still break the law and put their lives at risk not coming through the legal way. But in every 500 that comes at least 5 will come with ill intentions. To which we have always seen this. I'm not being funny but there are s**t-hole countries in this world. You wouldnt class Tobaygo or Somalia as nice places. Some places in the UK I consider s**t-holes. I live in Leeds and theres some alright places in Leeds but some places are not safe to walk around at especially at night. And those places are majority foreign nationals like pakistani's, romanians, Africans etc. I've known places in Leeds that used to be majority Jewish and were fine places. But when you had other foreign nationals move in, the Jewish quickly moved away. And those places turned back. I remember few years back I went to pick a friend up and she lived in an area called Armley. And I hated parking up waiting for her. There was always something going on. But one occasion I saw a pack of kids aged 6 - 13. Most werent wearing shoes, one was wearing a nappy and a t-shirt. One looked 11 and he was in shorts, t-shirt and wore black leather gloves with studds on them. Smoking and spitting as well. It just looked so bizzare. despite them being kids I was quite intimidated by them. They all stood in front of my car, one was sat on bonnet. I wanted to do something but I knew the families would jump out every window and door if I did. So it was tense. It wasnt a muslim ban, it was a ban on majority muslim countries because of a terrorist attack. Muslims could still come say if they were coming from a country that wasnt under the ban. It was just a knee-jerk reaction from some people. Like China for e.g. People said it was racist to ban all incoming Chinese flights but now they are saying Trump should have done more to stop the spread of c19. So you cant get it right for some people. Your darned if you do, darned if you dont. Mate thats just Twitter. Thats all I can say. Its sad that even news organisations are more bothered about what people tweet. I dont like Twitter. Dont like Facebook either. I suppose this site is quite similar but I have neither Facebook or Twitter. So this is like my last one...till I get bored of it maybe lol but its fun talking to people. Like this I mean. Good for the brain...bad for the hands (clicks wrists) lol


Biden doesn't exactly inspire hope but I don't think he has to. He just needs to present himself as stable and sane. There's no evidence Biden is ill or has any cognitive impairment - just last week he had medical assessments released saying he was healthy. These cut-pasted compilations of him slurring words or rambling are unfair harassment and could be done to just about anyone. Trump can pronounce words greater than 3 syllables - making so many gaffes in fact that The Daily Show do yearly compilations (linked below). Listening to Trump try and pronounce 'anonymous' is a personal favourite of mine!

Present himself as stable and sane! lmao. I think thats a task too great to take lol No I believe everyone can slip their tongues I tend to do it. I think its like when the brain gets too far ahead than the mouth or..vice-versa lol With Biden its like he will say something..realise, smile and play it off. Like when he got mixed up where he actually was then said it was a place he used to work at..which turned out to be a joke... Well a medical assessment will have to say he's healthy and no issues...because the election is like 50 days away. To say theres a problem I dont think you will get an election. Unless his running mate does it instead but that rocks the entire campaign out of whack. The latest one was a pre-recorded question from a webcam to which got shown to Biden. Before biden answered he said 'move it up here' which was obviously the teleprompter, or answer even. But thats just me making my judgement.

That was funny though.
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Again, far too long to reply to each point but I appreciate the effort and length you went for the discussion! Also, please “quote” my post otherwise I won’t get a notification you’ve replied.

Trump is most definitely a very different style of politician. But don’t be fooled into thinking he’s really all that different to the typical career politician that you loathe. Just because he runs off-script sometimes and sounds less wooden don’t let that illusion rope you in; is he really all that different? He’s well manicured, well prepared, media-savy, and knows what he needs to say to get the job done. It takes me back to things like “build that wall” and “drain the swamp” (two campaign pledges that were incredibly effective in 2016) - how are both of those holding up? I believe 300 miles of wall has been built (along a 2000m+ border) and that swamp seems as full as ever. Both pledges have quietly been dropped for this campaign I note.

Let’s not stray too far from your original point - I’m not interested in whether Hillary was drunk on electoral night; you said that “one side refused to admit defeat”. Clinton and the DP accepted defeat fairly. Unless you can link anything to substantiate this your claim I’m going to dismiss it as nonsense I’m afraid!

As above, I don’t want to stray from your initial claim. Do you believe that mail-in fraud will be a major factor in the November election? And if so, what is your source for this? There isn’t a single shred of evidence that suggests this is the case. I will say it again: it is a total lie that is being spun by Trump HQ. I understand your pessimism with regards to some media outlets but don’t be fooled into taking Trump-sponsored-headlines as gospel: the man talks absolute sh*t about most things.

I’m afraid you’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think 25 allegations are all for political gain. Let me remind you that the first rape claim dates back to 1989, long before Trump was tweeting politics! Funny really, there are dozens of questionable pictures and quotes from Trump talking about his daughter & literally a tape of him saying “grab per by the p***y” but somehow its the opposition candidate that is called creepy. It’s interesting how these things play out!

Border issues don’t serve as a justification for racism. His comments about Mexicans were out-and-out racist and I think you’ll be hard pressed to find somebody that isn’t a Trump fanatic disagreeing with that. I’m sorry about the experiences you’ve had but I hope you understand that they are purely cultural issues and not racial ones, let’s not blur the two. This is the POTUS - “it’s just Twitter” is no defence for Trump retweeting the comments of white supremacist accounts online. It’s bizarre and hugely worrying. I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a white supremacist that doesn’t support Trump, why would that be?
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Hi mate your free to say whatever. No one can be forced to like someone. But to call him a loser with no integrity is just baseless really. He's lived a successful life and operated businesses around the world. And become POTUS and has done alright in his first term. He is good at bringing jobs in and reforming trade deals to America walks out bigger. To have no integrity you cant become POTUS. But power to you matey
"He's lived a successful life and operated businesses around the world." - That's mainly due to his father's wealth. He was given $60.7 million of loans from his father in the 1970s. Much of this wasn't even repaid.
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Again, far too long to reply to each point but I appreciate the effort and length you went for the discussion! Also, please “quote” my post otherwise I won’t get a notification you’ve replied.

Trump is most definitely a very different style of politician. But don’t be fooled into thinking he’s really all that different to the typical career politician that you loathe. Just because he runs off-script sometimes and sounds less wooden don’t let that illusion rope you in; is he really all that different? He’s well manicured, well prepared, media-savy, and knows what he needs to say to get the job done. It takes me back to things like “build that wall” and “drain the swamp” (two campaign pledges that were incredibly effective in 2016) - how are both of those holding up? I believe 300 miles of wall has been built (along a 2000m+ border) and that swamp seems as full as ever. Both pledges have quietly been dropped for this campaign I note.

Let’s not stray too far from your original point - I’m not interested in whether Hillary was drunk on electoral night; you said that “one side refused to admit defeat”. Clinton and the DP accepted defeat fairly. Unless you can link anything to substantiate this your claim I’m going to dismiss it as nonsense I’m afraid!

As above, I don’t want to stray from your initial claim. Do you believe that mail-in fraud will be a major factor in the November election? And if so, what is your source for this? There isn’t a single shred of evidence that suggests this is the case. I will say it again: it is a total lie that is being spun by Trump HQ. I understand your pessimism with regards to some media outlets but don’t be fooled into taking Trump-sponsored-headlines as gospel: the man talks absolute sh*t about most things.

I’m afraid you’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think 25 allegations are all for political gain. Let me remind you that the first rape claim dates back to 1989, long before Trump was tweeting politics! Funny really, there are dozens of questionable pictures and quotes from Trump talking about his daughter & literally a tape of him saying “grab per by the p***y” but somehow its the opposition candidate that is called creepy. It’s interesting how these things play out!

Border issues don’t serve as a justification for racism. His comments about Mexicans were out-and-out racist and I think you’ll be hard pressed to find somebody that isn’t a Trump fanatic disagreeing with that. I’m sorry about the experiences you’ve had but I hope you understand that they are purely cultural issues and not racial ones, let’s not blur the two. This is the POTUS - “it’s just Twitter” is no defence for Trump retweeting the comments of white supremacist accounts online. It’s bizarre and hugely worrying. I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a white supremacist that doesn’t support Trump, why would that be?
Nah its cool mate. I enjoy this (my hands dont) though my original post was about similar things happening here in the UK. If people cant get what they want (say a labour landslide) then lets whip up riots and force change to the system by simply destroying our own cities. Its that that worries me. I'll have to keep this short myself. And sorry for quoting. Tried to make it easier but forgot about you're notification bar!

Build the wall and drain the swamp is something that cant be done in a year or even a first term I believe. He's doing things the long way so someone doesnt trip him up. He baits them and waits for them to come forward. The democrats will always oppose him on everything simply because they cant accept the fact they lost the WH. Democrats are no longer a party. I find them to be activists. Most democrats now chant violence to the opposition and 'resist' Putin's puppet. They have no message for the future. Its just 'Trumps bad therefore vote us' he's already getting rid of those corrupt in them Republic & democrat parties. He's brokered peace deals in Israel and other countries. He attempted Korea but all I can offer him is at least he tried where as others havent. He's lowered taxes for small businesses and families. I know someone who saves at least $1000 a year. Reformed NAFTA which took loads of jobs off people in the past. I think its people arent willing to give him a chance. But what do the democrats have to offer at this point. They will increase taxes for start, Biden already claimed he will lock the country down again when the science says so. No one wants that. It benefited no one. Our country included.

I dont know much about Mail voting but I do know its less secure and also the democrats want it to be less secure. I believe going back a few months Trump wanted to release a Covid recovery package. To which the democrats (ofc) blocked him. They wanted to negotiate. They wanted something and that was no Voter ID laws. They still want it now. They've also got Facebook and Twitter to block Trump during the election day so he doesnt announce he won too early. Which is kind of understandable but why hasn't Biden got the same treatment if he could do the same.

No Hillary stated defeat. But that was it. It wasnt long till she appeared on TV again arguing that the election was robbed from her and that Trump cheated via election interference. But again theres no evidence. its just Russia 'may' have done it. Thats not admitting defeat. She turned cheek. And still does it now. And its possibly true. But it could have been China. Every country will stick their finger into anothers election IF it benefits them. Though last I remembered Hillary wanted intense war in Syria where Russian forces operated. That would have caused a war with Russia. Trump may have been friendly with Russia at the time because who really wants more war. I'd rather be friends with Russia than enemies. I dont want no hot war in my lifetime. Whatever war may turn out to be should we ever have one. More countries have nukes. So no body wins towards the end.

I'm sure the guy's at least done something but who knows. he's no saint and neither are we. We've all done at least something. My worst is probably theft but I was a teen that didnt know better. But this is something that we see a LOT. Like take Boris for e.g. No one cared much about him, he puts in for no.10 all of the sudden he's a racist, sexist, homophobic blah-blah. Same with the recent Tony Abbot, no one cared or really knew him. He's trade manager for UK/Aus. All the sudden he too is a racist, sexist, homophobic etc-etc. Trump becomes president and all the sudden he is every 'ist' & 'ism' under the sun. So if its SO bad why wasnt it an issue before. Its because people will try at anything to discredit you. Like my example before if we were best mates that worked together, you was selected for a promotion and I get jealous so I spin a story that you did something vague but damaging. I could dig deep in your twitter or facebook and find something that may remotely sound sexist and use it against you to stop you from getting promoted. Just anything to discredit you. Thats what people now do. But apart from the 'grab her by the pussy' thing. I've said stuff like that before lol Its just a lad thing. Girls will say that about men too when they have their girly-gossipy talks (i hope that wasnt sexist!)

No. what i said isnt about race. I hardly consider race when talking to someone. I treat everyone the same - with respect. So long as they look friendly. I mean you are less likely to approach someone who looks shady or hides their face etc. But thats risk assessing not racial profiling. Well I'm lucky I've mostly lived in a decent area. I used to at one point live in Beeston. The London Tube Bombers worked across the road from me. But its very cultural issues we have. And its getting worse by the week. It was just yesterday I heard school routes and busses have had to be altered for children. Because some would have to walk past a hotel. I'll just leave it at that...

I dont think Trump is a racist. I've yet to hear anything racist. Although I once did hear (not from Trump) 'If you dont vote me your not black' I think thats racist. At this point, those that believe they are 'anti-racist' end up being the most racist ones. Its one minor reason I deleted Facebook.


Sorry if this sounds rushed anyways. Had a long day. Booming headache and tired. Had a curry last night and found it hard to sleep with a full stomach!
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Nah its cool mate. I enjoy this (my hands dont) though my original post was about similar things happening here in the UK. If people cant get what they want (say a labour landslide) then lets whip up riots and force change to the system by simply destroying our own cities. Its that that worries me. I'll have to keep this short myself. And sorry for quoting. Tried to make it easier but forgot about you're notification bar!

Build the wall and drain the swamp is something that cant be done in a year or even a first term I believe. He's doing things the long way so someone doesnt trip him up. He baits them and waits for them to come forward. The democrats will always oppose him on everything simply because they cant accept the fact they lost the WH. Democrats are no longer a party. I find them to be activists. Most democrats now chant violence to the opposition and 'resist' Putin's puppet. They have no message for the future. Its just 'Trumps bad therefore vote us' he's already getting rid of those corrupt in them Republic & democrat parties. He's brokered peace deals in Israel and other countries. He attempted Korea but all I can offer him is at least he tried where as others havent. He's lowered taxes for small businesses and families. I know someone who saves at least $1000 a year. Reformed NAFTA which took loads of jobs off people in the past. I think its people arent willing to give him a chance. But what do the democrats have to offer at this point. They will increase taxes for start, Biden already claimed he will lock the country down again when the science says so. No one wants that. It benefited no one. Our country included.

I dont know much about Mail voting but I do know its less secure and also the democrats want it to be less secure. I believe going back a few months Trump wanted to release a Covid recovery package. To which the democrats (ofc) blocked him. They wanted to negotiate. They wanted something and that was no Voter ID laws. They still want it now. They've also got Facebook and Twitter to block Trump during the election day so he doesnt announce he won too early. Which is kind of understandable but why hasn't Biden got the same treatment if he could do the same.

No Hillary stated defeat. But that was it. It wasnt long till she appeared on TV again arguing that the election was robbed from her and that Trump cheated via election interference. But again theres no evidence. its just Russia 'may' have done it. Thats not admitting defeat. She turned cheek. And still does it now. And its possibly true. But it could have been China. Every country will stick their finger into anothers election IF it benefits them. Though last I remembered Hillary wanted intense war in Syria where Russian forces operated. That would have caused a war with Russia. Trump may have been friendly with Russia at the time because who really wants more war. I'd rather be friends with Russia than enemies. I dont want no hot war in my lifetime. Whatever war may turn out to be should we ever have one. More countries have nukes. So no body wins towards the end.

I'm sure the guy's at least done something but who knows. he's no saint and neither are we. We've all done at least something. My worst is probably theft but I was a teen that didnt know better. But this is something that we see a LOT. Like take Boris for e.g. No one cared much about him, he puts in for no.10 all of the sudden he's a racist, sexist, homophobic blah-blah. Same with the recent Tony Abbot, no one cared or really knew him. He's trade manager for UK/Aus. All the sudden he too is a racist, sexist, homophobic etc-etc. Trump becomes president and all the sudden he is every 'ist' & 'ism' under the sun. So if its SO bad why wasnt it an issue before. Its because people will try at anything to discredit you. Like my example before if we were best mates that worked together, you was selected for a promotion and I get jealous so I spin a story that you did something vague but damaging. I could dig deep in your twitter or facebook and find something that may remotely sound sexist and use it against you to stop you from getting promoted. Just anything to discredit you. Thats what people now do. But apart from the 'grab her by the pussy' thing. I've said stuff like that before lol Its just a lad thing. Girls will say that about men too when they have their girly-gossipy talks (i hope that wasnt sexist!)

No. what i said isnt about race. I hardly consider race when talking to someone. I treat everyone the same - with respect. So long as they look friendly. I mean you are less likely to approach someone who looks shady or hides their face etc. But thats risk assessing not racial profiling. Well I'm lucky I've mostly lived in a decent area. I used to at one point live in Beeston. The London Tube Bombers worked across the road from me. But its very cultural issues we have. And its getting worse by the week. It was just yesterday I heard school routes and busses have had to be altered for children. Because some would have to walk past a hotel. I'll just leave it at that...

I dont think Trump is a racist. I've yet to hear anything racist. Although I once did hear (not from Trump) 'If you dont vote me your not black' I think thats racist. At this point, those that believe they are 'anti-racist' end up being the most racist ones. Its one minor reason I deleted Facebook.


Sorry if this sounds rushed anyways. Had a long day. Booming headache and tired. Had a curry last night and found it hard to sleep with a full stomach!
I’ll keep this shorter as I don’t want to spend an hour replying like last time. Appreciate the discussion though.

Trump has had 4 years and has dropped pledges to build the wall and drain the swamp. Next to no progress has been made towards either promise - if they were so important (they were his tag lines in 2016), why have they been dropped entirely now? It’s because they were an emotive part of a highly manicured & well-oiled Trump machine. I despair for people that genuinely think Trump is any different to the politicians that came before him.

I respect you’re saying you don’t know much about mail-in voting but I’m going to say it again: you said that the likely way Biden will win is through mail-in fraud. If, as you now admit, you don’t know much about mail-in voting, why would you make such a claim? Can you substantiate this with any evidence whatsoever?

Can you give me a link to Hilary saying the “election was robbed” and that “Trump cheated”? Let’s see what you’ve got.
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I’ll keep this shorter as I don’t want to spend an hour replying like last time. Appreciate the discussion though.

Trump has had 4 years and has dropped pledges to build the wall and drain the swamp. Next to no progress has been made towards either promise - if they were so important (they were his tag lines in 2016), why have they been dropped entirely now? It’s because they were an emotive part of a highly manicured & well-oiled Trump machine. I despair for people that genuinely think Trump is any different to the politicians that came before him.

I respect you’re saying you don’t know much about mail-in voting but I’m going to say it again: you said that the likely way Biden will win is through mail-in fraud. If, as you now admit, you don’t know much about mail-in voting, why would you make such a claim? Can you substantiate this with any evidence whatsoever?

Can you give me a link to Hilary saying the “election was robbed” and that “Trump cheated”? Let’s see what you’ve got.
Progress has still been made though and you have had issues with Border detention facilities. Nothing was mentioned of it before Trump took office you at least we have had exposure to how cramped and poor those conditions are. But even as president he is still limited to power. And he still gets opposed and then he has to go through congress etc. And then just doing other things on top of that like going to another country or state. Securing or reforming trade deals. He has been draining the swamp he has shattered the Clinton family along with the Clinton foundation.

I can only pick up what others say off Youtube but they did make a valid point that you wouldnt post money through the post. Which is a fair point. Your votes important but if its going through hands problems can happen and more likely to happen given whats been going on with C-19 and most of all the riots around states. You dont even know if post-boxes or offices have been raided in these riots because they go for just about anything. The democrats have spoken about wanting to get rid of Voter ID. Do I have digital evidence, no. But I've watched political commentaries. Some that were Blue voters. And now (and probably as a month ago) will vote Trump. Simply because they dont want the riots to intensify. Which I can completely understand. If you have a riot that carries the message of BLM along with Defund the cops, Kill cops and topple capitalism etc and you have Pelosi, Biden literally take the knee - That to me, is submission. You are submitting to that cause. But so long as the rioters vote Blue then I guess thats worth it to them. I can show you these channels but this is asking for a bit bit of your time and I dont want to bombard you and force you to believe I'm right. I can only say my bit. Perhaps I'll be wrong about this but we are only 45 days away at the most. So we'll see. But the democrats have nothing to lose, so I believe they will go so far as to cheat. They know Biden is not vote-worthy. And should he win but wont get past 1 year.

Well as should it happen a latest webcam video of Hillary was just released. Shes sat along side Bill. And shes just droning on about how the Russians are planning to steal the election again. So when she says 'again' thats not admitting defeat. Throughout the 4 years she has remained adamant and mentally convinced herself she was robbed of the election. But she comes across as a 16 year old girl whinging and crying because she got grounded on the weekend lol And its actually kind of funny because you see Bill literally sat beside her, and he's just staring at her looking lifeless. Thinking 'jesus christ woman' and the slight tug of the lips. Even he's had enough of her rubbish. I can link you to this particular video?
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Progress has still been made though and you have had issues with Border detention facilities. Nothing was mentioned of it before Trump took office you at least we have had exposure to how cramped and poor those conditions are. But even as president he is still limited to power. And he still gets opposed and then he has to go through congress etc. And then just doing other things on top of that like going to another country or state. Securing or reforming trade deals. He has been draining the swamp he has shattered the Clinton family along with the Clinton foundation.

I can only pick up what others say off Youtube but they did make a valid point that you wouldnt post money through the post. Which is a fair point. Your votes important but if its going through hands problems can happen and more likely to happen given whats been going on with C-19 and most of all the riots around states. You dont even know if post-boxes or offices have been raided in these riots because they go for just about anything. The democrats have spoken about wanting to get rid of Voter ID. Do I have digital evidence, no. But I've watched political commentaries. Some that were Blue voters. And now (and probably as a month ago) will vote Trump. Simply because they dont want the riots to intensify. Which I can completely understand. If you have a riot that carries the message of BLM along with Defund the cops, Kill cops and topple capitalism etc and you have Pelosi, Biden literally take the knee - That to me, is submission. You are submitting to that cause. But so long as the rioters vote Blue then I guess thats worth it to them. I can show you these channels but this is asking for a bit bit of your time and I dont want to bombard you and force you to believe I'm right. I can only say my bit. Perhaps I'll be wrong about this but we are only 45 days away at the most. So we'll see. But the democrats have nothing to lose, so I believe they will go so far as to cheat. They know Biden is not vote-worthy. And should he win but wont get past 1 year.

Well as should it happen a latest webcam video of Hillary was just released. Shes sat along side Bill. And shes just droning on about how the Russians are planning to steal the election again. So when she says 'again' thats not admitting defeat. Throughout the 4 years she has remained adamant and mentally convinced herself she was robbed of the election. But she comes across as a 16 year old girl whinging and crying because she got grounded on the weekend lol And its actually kind of funny because you see Bill literally sat beside her, and he's just staring at her looking lifeless. Thinking 'jesus christ woman' and the slight tug of the lips. Even he's had enough of her rubbish. I can link you to this particular video?
In what way has he shattered the Clinton family? You mean he’s ruthlessly pursued the Clinton’s, his political opponents, in the same way he went after Obama. Trump holds Obama in such a low regard that apparently he has broken a 40-year old tradition to hang the ex-Presidents portrait in the Whitehouse. He’s petty and childish, nothing more - he will go after you if you disagree with him: just look at how he’s aggressively gone after every one of his former aides that have turned against him and have exposed his wretched attitude. Trump has donated over $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, which I believe was cleared of most of the wrong-doing allegations just last year. Trump has a personal vendetta against Clinton, that’s his motive in pursuing the foundation.

He has bloated his administration with former execs, catered for big business and corporate interests (telling rich friends “you all just got a lot richer” at a private function after a passing a corporate tax cut), and has had the office subsidise his luxurious lifestyle (how many golf trips?) on scales never seen before. “Drain the swamp” was a con and Trump has done nothing of the sort. It’s a shame to see people genuinely trying to defend his record on this.

Using YouTube as a reliable source of news has its downfalls as this has demonstrated. You wouldn’t post money through the mail but you would post a cheque (as millions do) - does this perhaps show the shortfalls of your argument ? There is zero, nada, zilch, evidence that mail-in voting poses a risk to the legitimacy of the November election. I’m going to ask you to concede this point unless you can substantiate your claims with some hard facts.

It’s interesting how you speak of how the Democrats will “cheat” and Biden will “play dirty” to win the election. Not only have you refused to comment on Trump floating the idea of postponing the election & laying the foundation for his excuses come November (saying the only way he would lose is if his opponents ‘cheated’), but just today I’ve read about how Trump has had absentee ballot forms posted to houses with his name and face on, something unheard of during a US election cycle. But hey ho, let’s keep floating the idea that it’s the establishment candidates that are playing dirty and will cheat, despite no evidence for this other than a hunch because ‘they have nothing to lose’ (other than, you know, an election).

Russia did interfere in the 2016 Presidential election. I believe the evidence is clear and undeniable. Russia also interfered in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the DNC of the same year. How much of an effect this had on the outcome is something we will never know. I’m not saying that Russia won the election for Trump but attempts to meddle are indisputable at this point.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/p...sps/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...20-5?r=US&IR=T

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...on-foundation/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-m...hristmas-trip/
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