Can information about China's Covid-19 data be trusted?

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fallen_acorns
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(the last thing...

There is a lot that we should be paying attention to regarding China at the moment. And plenty of just criticism should be heading there way for a huge number of issues..

You don't need to make up conspiracy theories to find things to go at them for, in fact it takes away from the legitimacy of the actual problems that they are causing)
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
Compare these two countries:

The UK - new about the virus for 2-3 months before it arrived. Knew the exact genetic code before it arrived, and had seen multiple examples of how other countries dealt with it. Had a couple of months to prepare hospitals, build up supplies, close borders, impliment quarentine and new laws etc. All before the virus arrived.

China - By the time the virus was identified it had already spread by the thousands.. by the time it was understood it was already in multiple cities - Every action after that is playing catch up.

Could they have done better? Obviously. But the vast majority of countries, with far more warning than China have, have failed to contain the virus within their boarders. Take Italy for example - agian, far more warning than China had.. And yet they failed to contain it within their borders, and they then became the origin for most of the spread within Europe.

The reality is that it was never going to be able to be contianed within China. We are simply to globalised, and too contected to be able to contain these things any more. The WHO estimates that a 1 month period between first detection and understanding the virus is normal for a pandemic. Within just 1 month, so many people travel, to so many places, unless the new policy is to lock down any country every time an unexplained illness occurs, there is no way to stop things becoming international.
I agree with some of your points with regards to the fact that a lot of countries like the UK did not react to the virus well and should have done better like South Korea. But I believe at the time China did not reveal the extent of how bad the virus is. Further, had they listened to the whistleblower, this whole pandemic could possibly have been prevented, but no they decided not too. At the end of the day the virus originated from mainland China and it should have been the countries responsibilty to provide support and full disclosure of the effects of the virus.
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
Documented evidence of a consistent story over many many years prior to the events in question > anecdotal evidence only mentioned when it suits your argument.

Whether you like it or not, the fact that I have proof of my story from before we were arguing, yet you only have words spoken afterwards, makes one side more believable.

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To the actual substance, see my post to the other member above. How would China possibly keep this secret? With so many international connections, how could they ever stop all of the people from communicating? All it would take is one foreign worker, taking a few pictures on their phone, and then after flying back to their home country, giving to the press.. and there is your proof. Huge news story, plenty of cash for the worker, front page of every news paper tomorrow.

Yet it hasn't happened. So many millions of migrants, so many foreign journalists all over China, so many Chinese living abroad with family back in China (real family mind you...) who could expose it, and it hasn't happened?

China is a big place, but its more connected then ever. China can keep secrets, but a pandemic? No. I was in China when the pandemic started, no one can keep that a secret, it took over everyone lives, cities locked down, hospitals overwhelmed, appartment blocks closed off, people only allowed out once a day, everything shut etc. How could they hide that from millions? and how could they stop every one from proving anything to an outside source?

I don't expect you to believe the next bit, and that's fair enough, this is actually just anecdotal and there is no evidence to back this up - but I was in a Convid area of a Chinese hospital a little while ago. During my quarentine after arriving I needed extra tests. It was, thankfully for me, empty.
Where is this 'documented evidence' for starters? And I'm guessing you believe that the China data on their number of Corona cases are legit right, as you are claiming that China can keep secrets. Then please explain to me how there are plenty of credible sources that have literally disputed your claim that China haven't hidden the effects of the pandemic, or they don't matter because they dispute your 'correct views'
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Let's all rein in the hyperbole folks...
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