BLM performance on Britain’s got talent sparks complaints

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Hold on. He’s a good driver, don’t get me wrong, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t had the best car for the majority of his career, which has subsequently led to his success. He is not an underdog, he has never been in a struggling team. Also, this post describes the beginnings of his career and the ‘extra’ opportunities he was given.
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If Messi played for Bournemouth this season he'd score 50 goals at a canter but even trying to raise that point shows how little you know about football. No player would look as good playing for a bad team because football is a team sport and no one can go 1 v 11 but if you watched Messi playing at Bournemouth it would still be glaringly obvious how far ahead of the competition he is.

My point isn't that Hamilton is a 'good' driver, he's one of the greatest of all time, to suggest it's all the car is completely ignorant. It's interesting that you say that you don't care about F1 but you're so certain that Hamilton only wins because he apparently has the best car, what are you basing this on?
As underscore says, Hamilton is one of the greatest of all time. You don’t end uo in the best car without being good. He’s annihilated Bottas and was more than a match for Alonso in his first season (Alonso being a two time defending champion at the time)
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I have seen the dance, I didn't see anything questionable about it.
Performance art has commented on social issues for centuries, I don't see why a dance troupe called Diversity(!) should be any different.

EDIT #1: Those arguing that the broadcasters ought to show balance need to distinguish between a public broadcaster with impartiality rules and a private companies that can present whatever it legally wants to. Why don't ITV deserve to make decisions for themselves?

EDIT #2: I'm really struggling to work out what this dance has to do with Spanish Footballers or Formula 1 to be honest.
Formula 1. My ears have perked up, 👀
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If Messi played for Bournemouth this season he'd score 50 goals at a canter but even trying to raise that point shows how little you know about football. No player would look as good playing for a bad team because football is a team sport and no one can go 1 v 11 but if you watched Messi playing at Bournemouth it would still be glaringly obvious how far ahead of the competition he is.

My point isn't that Hamilton is a 'good' driver, he's one of the greatest of all time, to suggest it's all the car is completely ignorant. It's interesting that you say that you don't care about F1 but you're so certain that Hamilton only wins because he apparently has the best car, what are you basing this on?
Played football all my life pal. There is no I in team, and a good player is only as good as the team is good. So don’t talk down to me like I know nothing about football thanks.

However, you are showing your armchair skills. Messi would score 50 a season for Bournemouth would he? :rolleyes:

He wins because he has the best car, as Schumacher did in his title winning seasons. I don’t need to base that on anything by the way, it’s blatantly obvious to even the most basic of person that the Merc this year is head and shoulders above any other car on that field.
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As underscore says, Hamilton is one of the greatest of all time. You don’t end uo in the best car without being good. He’s annihilated Bottas and was more than a match for Alonso in his first season (Alonso being a two time defending champion at the time)
I have said, he is a good driver. I’m not denying that. But let’s not pretend he’s won titles in a Minardi...
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Saying Jews were ”marginally oppressed” is anti-Semitic.

The institution of policing was not created by slavery.

None of my family were slave traders, and just because your distant ancestors held objectionable beliefs doesn't mean you hold those beliefs.

If BLM aren't Marxists why do I keep seeing Socialist Workers' Party signs at BLM protests?

What race is more likely to be targeted in attacks hugely depends on where in the world you are.
You, alongside all the other conservatives clearly don’t know what anti-semitic means. That comment notwithstanding, just realised i made a mistake, when i said marginal I believed the definition was at the outer extreme, ergo the margin i.e. very oppressed but doing some research I actually see it means the exact opposite.

In America the police were created to be slave catchers so your rebuttal is incorrect. Here’s an article to that effect:

https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook...rican-policing

Have another in fact:

https://lawenforcementmuseum.org/201...ican-policing/

You are purposely misconstruing my point. It was that if you hold *the same* questionable values of slave traders then maybe they were in your bloodline to begin with. Nobody said your family were slave traders.

The BLM organisation and the actual movement are 2 different things. I’m tired of explaining this to people who continuously choose to ignore this. And by the way i have *never* seen those signs so please direct me to some of these pictures. Also,

A member of BLM being marxist ≠ BLM is Marxist

Black people aren’t monotonous u know. And even if they were a Marxist organisation what’s the problem? 😒

Well yes that is true but we’re in the UK and we’re discussing a hypothetical in the UK and in the UK the target demographic are BAME so your Tu Quoque fallacy is just a bit of conjecture. Next.
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Played football all my life pal. There is no I in team, and a good player is only as good as the team is good. So don’t talk down to me like I know nothing about football thanks.
This is verifiably false, Jack Grealish was one of the most impressive players in the Premier League this year and his team avoided relegation by one point.

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However, you are showing your armchair skills. Messi would score 50 a season for Bournemouth would he? :rolleyes:
If you think Messi couldn't score 50 goals in 46 games in the Championship I don't know what more to say (part of me suspects you didn't realise Bournemouth were in the Championship this season).

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He wins because he has the best car, as Schumacher did in his title winning seasons. I don’t need to base that on anything by the way, it’s blatantly obvious to even the most basic of person that the Merc this year is head and shoulders above any other car on that field.
"I don't have any evidence for my assumptions about a sport I don't know anything about so I'll just claim it's so obvious it doesn't require any evidence" - sound approach to a debate.

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I have said, he is a good driver. I’m not denying that. But let’s not pretend he’s won titles in a Minardi...
Let's also not pretend you've actually given us any kind of reason to assume the Mercedes car was so much better than all of the others.
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Amazing how this got more complaints than a white person saying the n-word on live television.....
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the boomers call the young, snowflakes, though they sure like their nonexistent victimhood mentality, same case for the Rule Britannia farce which literally noone was invested in
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Amazing how this got more complaints than a white person saying the n-word on live television.....
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the boomers call the young, snowflakes, though they sure like their nonexistent victimhood mentality, same case for the Rule Britannia farce which literally noone was invested in
Fragility Olympics. Will we get to the point where every tribe wants to be the most special snowflakes?
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Cba to read the threa but this got BGT the publicity it probably needs. Show should have been cancelled years ago.
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I didn’t know being offended that you are called a word used to degrade your humanity which is left to slaves was ‘fragility’. So this the new way of downplaying racism, calling it ‘fragility’ KSKSKSKSKSK. So appaz I’m a ‘special snowflake’ for not wanting white people to call me a nigg*r ??????? 😍
How incredibly dishonest. You were referring to the newsreader who used the word in an innocent context to relay the news. They did not call you a ******.

Similarly, the BLM performance used the murder of George Floyd in an innocent context to relay a social justice message. They did not actually fatally kneel on someone's neck.

The fragile snowflakes here are both camps who are offended over these non-offensive instances.
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You, alongside all the other conservatives clearly don’t know what anti-semitic means. That comment notwithstanding, just realised i made a mistake, when i said marginal I believed the definition was at the outer extreme, ergo the margin i.e. very oppressed but doing some research I actually see it means the exact opposite.

In America the police were created to be slave catchers so your rebuttal is incorrect. Here’s an article to that effect:

https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook...rican-policing

Have another in fact:

https://lawenforcementmuseum.org/201...ican-policing/
I think you'll find they've moved on a bit since then.. Somewhat specious to hold the organisation to what it was, quite literally, centuries ago, no?
Black people aren’t monotonous u know. And even if they were a Marxist organisation what’s the problem? 😒

Well yes that is true but we’re in the UK and we’re discussing a hypothetical in the UK and in the UK the target demographic are BAME so your Tu Quoque fallacy is just a bit of conjecture. Next.
Might one ask how you can claim black people arent monotonous and then, in the next breath no less, proceed to lump every non white ethnicity in together as some homogenous lump? 'bame' indeed.

As to the marxist comment, because historically marxist groups have spent their spare time lobbing explosives and bullets around the place. Think Baader Meinhoff. Or simply tried to exterminate anyone not deemed ideologically pure enough. The blm lot might not be at the stage of deporting their 'enemies' to death camps but their attitude is not exactly endearing to most average folk. Be it abusing people on the street for not actively participating in their riots/protests or petrol bombing businesses for kicks.
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Black people aren’t monotonous u know. And even if they were a Marxist organisation what’s the problem? 😒

Well yes that is true but we’re in the UK and we’re discussing a hypothetical in the UK and in the UK the target demographic are BAME so your Tu Quoque fallacy is just a bit of conjecture. Next.
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Might one ask how you can claim black people arent monotonous and then, in the next breath no less, proceed to lump every non white ethnicity in together as some homogenous lump? 'bame' indeed.
Right?

Don't call me BAME. We need a new political language

People belong to many categories and categories overlap. African Caribbeans and Bangladeshis in Britain, for instance, are disproportionately working class, compared not just with white people but with other minority groups, such as Indians, Chinese and black Africans. But while discussion of the white population routinely takes class into account, discussions of minorities rarely do.

Consider school exclusions. Black pupils are disproportionately excluded from school. Look more closely and you see the problem is in particular with those of Caribbean descent. Pupils of black African descent are less likely to be excluded than their white peers.

Figures also show that pupils claiming free school meals (FSM) – a proxy for poverty – are three times more likely to be excluded than the average pupil; 40% of all school exclusions are of FSM pupils.

School exclusion, then, is a major issue facing white working-class pupils, too, and class as well as race may play a role in the disproportionate exclusion of black pupils. But to say so is to invite the accusation that one is downplaying the significance of racism. And so, more nuanced accounts of discrimination are often ignored.
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It boggles the mind people can still use this ridiculous classification. I have yet to meet a single person who approves of being lumped in as (i dont believe theres any other way to describe them as ethnics at this point) turning the multiracial debate into a dichotomy of white and 'all the rest'. The fact people attempt to use this in debates slamming racialisation, no less, is remarkable.
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It boggles the mind people can still use this ridiculous classification. I have yet to meet a single person who approves of being lumped in as (i dont believe theres any other way to describe them as ethnics at this point) turning the multiracial debate into a dichotomy of white and 'all the rest'. The fact people attempt to use this in debates slamming racialisation, no less, is remarkable.
It does and it is. Similarly in America with "people of color" which ironically rehashes the "colored people" classification of old. Even within the Woke universe, the tension stemming from their competitive oppression is producing new fractured classifications such as "BIPOC" (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) as we saw in the other thread on Dearborn University's racially segregated cafe.
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Just a bunch of triggered gammon folk
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Might one ask how you can claim black people arent monotonous and then, in the next breath no less, proceed to lump every non white ethnicity in together as some homogenous lump? 'bame' indeed.

As to the marxist comment, because historically marxist groups have spent their spare time lobbing explosives and bullets around the place. Think Baader Meinhoff. Or simply tried to exterminate anyone not deemed ideologically pure enough. The blm lot might not be at the stage of deporting their 'enemies' to death camps but their attitude is not exactly endearing to most average folk. Be it abusing people on the street for not actively participating in their riots/protests or petrol bombing businesses for kicks.
Hm they havent moved completely from the institutional racism but the point was, why would you be offended at a black man for being murdered and being advocated for justice? Seems like those ppl never left the past anyways.

Being a victim of racism has nothing to do with your own personality so I don’t see how my point ‘lumps’ anyone. If you’re an ethnic minority you’re more likely to be a victim of racism based on what we can track and this has nothing to do with whether you are monotonous or not so I don’t see what point you’re making........

I’m sure a lot of capitalists have done that to *cough* 🇺🇸🇺🇸 Oh please, not to tu quoque but don’t act like ‘death camps’ are exclusive to Marxism, Capitalism is much more evil and has costed much more lives. Anyways, a study showed that more than 80% of these protests were peaceful

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5325737002

But the right will always focus on the less than 20% that the media frames up so they can make us look evil. I can’t even blame people for rioting 🤷🏽*♂️ When you’re watching your people get lynched daily with no justice you’d reach a breaking point too when historical context is added (also most of the businesses burnt were chains with ties to racist or homophobic funding so i could care less e.g. chick-fil-a or target)
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This point is silly as in the current situation it was used the term BAME has nothing to do with whether or not someone is monotonous. I said ethnic minorities are more likely to be victims of racism (this is true). And then i listed them. So what does that have to do with their likelihood towards victimhood????? Is it because they aren’t monotonous that they are victims???? Bridge the gap
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your people
That says it all.

Racism is just a manifestation of us and them - and you've got the bug nicely.
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It boggles the mind people can still use this ridiculous classification. I have yet to meet a single person who approves of being lumped in as (i dont believe theres any other way to describe them as ethnics at this point) turning the multiracial debate into a dichotomy of white and 'all the rest'. The fact people attempt to use this in debates slamming racialisation, no less, is remarkable.
Do you have another way for me to describe a fact????? You are all bringing up irrelevant counters to my point. Whether or not i used the term BAME in a discussion of likelihood towards racism’s has nothing to do with being monotonous 😒 do you have a more politically acceptable term since it’s SOOOO offensive.
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Hm they havent moved completely from the institutional racism but the point was, why would you be offended at a black man for being murdered and being advocated for justice? Seems like those ppl never left the past anyways.

Being a victim of racism has nothing to do with your own personality so I don’t see how my point ‘lumps’ anyone. If you’re an ethnic minority you’re more likely to be a victim of racism based on what we can track and this has nothing to do with whether you are monotonous or not so I don’t see what point you’re making........

I’m sure a lot of capitalists have done that to *cough* 🇺🇸🇺🇸 Oh please, not to tu quoque but don’t act like ‘death camps’ are exclusive to Marxism, Capitalism is much more evil and has costed much more lives. Anyways, a study showed that more than 80% of these protests were peaceful

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5325737002

But the right will always focus on the less than 20% that the media frames up so they can make us look evil. I can’t even blame people for rioting 🤷🏽*♂️ When you’re watching your people get lynched daily with no justice you’d reach a breaking point too when historical context is added (also most of the businesses burnt were chains with ties to racist or homophobic funding so i could care less e.g. chick-fil-a or target)
I'm not sure what the first paragraph is angling at about being offended sorry? Merely pointing out the questionable logic of using the founding centuries ago to damn it now.

My point was it makes no sense to lump all minorities together as but one blob. The experience by Chinese, for example, being different from a Ghanian or Yemenese etc. etc.

I never said, nor insinuated, they were. I am perfectly aware of right wing (not capitalism) sordid history. From the genocide in Indonesia onwards. However, Marxist groups are nevertheless the ones with the reputation on it.

Uhuh, that rather brings one back to the original point that this argument can happily be flipped on its head. Seeing as many of these people who have been "lynched", as you put it, have ties to criminality does that make it cool to kill them? To follow your logic that one alleged sin makes the ends acceptable. To further the point, when we look at the victims of crime, does this make it okay for them to seek revenge on innocent people? Say an Asian womans son was shot by a black gang member (to lead on with the racial theme) is it now acceptable for her to go and burn down a black neighbourhood? After all, as poorly as blacks have been treated in America the Chinese have not exactly had it much better - their experiences surpassing the discrimination leveled at Africans at certain points.
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