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R76 – Ministerial Report from the Prime Minister – Border at the English Channel


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Ministerial Report: Her Majesty's Government
Secretary of State: The Rt. Hon. El Salvador MP

Securing our Maritime Border at the English Channel


Mr Speaker,

In the light of a recent increase in migrants travelling by boat illegally to our United Kingdom, Her Majesty's government is committed to securing our maritime border with collaboration from our ally, the French Republic.

Collaboration with the French Republic
Her Majesty's government believes the only practical way to handle this situation is through stopping the migrants at the French coast, and we must have collaboration from France in order to do that.

A team of negotiators has been established to discuss the matter with the office of the President of France, with negotiations commencing within 10 days.

The team is led by the Deputy Prime Minister, and consists of the Undersecretary of Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, the Undersecretary of International Development, as well as the Undersecretary of Defence.

We are prepared to offer funds, material resources, as well as a limited number of military personnel to minimise the number of migrant boats setting off for the English coast. Additionally, we are open to launching a migrant-sharing programme with not just the French Republic but the Republic of Ireland, to further discourage people from crossing the English Channel by providing them with a proper channel to potentially claim asylum in the UK.

I commend this report to the House.

Notes and references


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Legally, we cannot simply send boats in our search and rescue zone back to France, and we have to honour our legal commitment to allow asylum-seeking (whether their application would be approved or not within 6 months) once the migrants are in UK's territorial waters. As a result, this is the most straightforward and practical way to deal with the situation.

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1 https://theconversation.com/why-are-...op-them-144466

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I'm inclined to agree with this report pending the result of the IRL negotiation.
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A sensible MR. Aye.
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Mr Speaker, i commend this report as per the will of the government.
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The Home Secretary cannot be bothered to do anything and the government's response is to do nothing whilst citing some spurious legal point.
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I'm of course supportive of this. Negotiating with the French is the only way forward.
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I'm of course supportive of this. Negotiating with the French is the only way forward.
If the French demanded more access to British fishing waters going forward, is that a sacrifice you would make?
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If the French demanded more access to British fishing waters going forward, is that a sacrifice you would make?
I cannot imagine an offer that would be tempting enough for me to do that. But let's say if they finally recognize the Crown's abandoned claim as the monarch of France, becomes an overseas territory of the UK, then I think that may be a good enough offer.
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I cannot imagine an offer that would be tempting enough for me to do that. But let's say if they finally recognize the Crown's abandoned claim as the monarch of France, becomes an overseas territory of the UK, then I think that may be a good enough offer.
:lol: perhaps we might be able to convince both royalists in France to support us in that case.
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:lol: perhaps we might be able to convince both royalists in France to support us in that case.
At one point, there were some talks of France joining the Commonwealth. I'd welcome that but unfortunately that's not good enough for fishing access. It's time they restore the Crown to the throne of France!
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It's time they restore the Crown to the throne of France!
For some reason I just got flashbacks to playing CK2 in the Iberian peninsula, or as I prefer to call it ”**** sake you are losing a holy war against Badajoz which would lead to the Pope deciding to crusade for Galicia instead of actually sensible crusade targets why are you declaring war on me”

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And this isn't coming from the Home Office, the department responsible, why?

It's also funny to see the government is back to publishing MRs that are essentially just statements of the status quo rather than propositions for change.
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And this isn't coming from the Home Office, the department responsible, why?

It's also funny to see the government is back to publishing MRs that are essentially just statements of the status quo rather than propositions for change.
Negotiations are overseen by the Foreign Office even when the Home Office is involved.

In this case it can be assumed via the canon amendment that the negotiations here (which also include Ireland and offer money) are successful. By sticking to canon and not releasing it, we'd still be in negotiation limbo.
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Negotiations are overseen by the Foreign Office even when the Home Office is involved.

In this case it can be assumed via the canon amendment that the negotiations here (which also include Ireland and offer money) are successful. By sticking to canon and not releasing it, we'd still be in negotiation limbo.
Does the canon amendment say that though? This is not a matter of TSR domestic vs RL EU/domestic law, that interpretation of the canon amendment leads to absurd situations where there is an easy way for you to deal with your £100bn deficit: enter into negotiations with China to pay £1tn per year reparations for being China, then you can boost spending massively and abolish all taxes.

Alas I don't think anybody would accept that as legitimate, therefore this is little more than yet another statement of the status quo.
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Does the canon amendment say that though? This is not a matter of TSR domestic vs RL EU/domestic law, that interpretation of the canon amendment leads to absurd situations where there is an easy way for you to deal with your £100bn deficit: enter into negotiations with China to pay £1tn per year reparations for being China, then you can boost spending massively and abolish all taxes.

Alas I don't think anybody would accept that as legitimate, therefore this is little more than yet another statement of the status quo.
Well i admit that it really just creates another grey area where you can argue that slightly different negotiations are only ongoing and we can argue that success can be assumed but that's still a victory vs canon. At any rate it's a political win (assuming passage).
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Well i admit that it really just creates another grey area where you can argue that slightly different negotiations are only ongoing and we can argue that success can be assumed but that's still a victory vs canon. At any rate it's a political win (assuming passage).
If your measuring statements that declare the status quo as wins you should just quit now because your bar is so low.
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I know Andrew97 struggles with even the simple questions, or justifying his own actions, but perhaps he could answer the question.
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Well i admit that it really just creates another grey area where you can argue that slightly different negotiations are only ongoing and we can argue that success can be assumed but that's still a victory vs canon. At any rate it's a political win (assuming passage).
In fact with your interpretation "Connor's" do nothing MR really did do nothing because you can't end negotiations that have concluded...

So which is it?
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Does the canon amendment say that though? This is not a matter of TSR domestic vs RL EU/domestic law, that interpretation of the canon amendment leads to absurd situations where there is an easy way for you to deal with your £100bn deficit: enter into negotiations with China to pay £1tn per year reparations for being China, then you can boost spending massively and abolish all taxes.

Alas I don't think anybody would accept that as legitimate, therefore this is little more than yet another statement of the status quo.
It is possible for us to declare that the PRC has agreed to pay us £1 trillion or that we found a cure for covid under the Queen's sofa, but that would be against the spirit of the game.
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