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my first year of uni is being robbed from me and I cant do anything about it

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Original post by curbyourfeminism
If you are suggesting a tuition fee loan refund, then no. This is not economically viable, since tuition fee loans cover the cost of the university. This money has already been spent, whether it be salaries, cost of developing the university and any other investments the organisation has. Asking for a refund from something that you most likely did not pay out of your own pocket is futile. A university degree is primarily a financial investment. In fact, consider going to university as being an investor in a company. You invest x amount initially so that you hope to receive 2x or 3x later on. Likewise, you pay that tuition fee with a loan, and that loan is x. You will receive 2x or perhaps 3x or even more through your salary, and so this is how university is an investment. In the case of a company, you can sell your shares and hope to either receive more money or the same you put in. However, with university, that money was never yours to begin with, and so asking for a refund for money that you never put in in the first place is redundant.

If you wish to withdraw from your course now you are only liable for 25% of tuition fees payable when you start earning over 23,000 as usual. You may be able to talk to uni about getting out of accommodation contract or defering. Act quickly as some unis have cooling off period.
Original post by Scotney
If you wish to withdraw from your course now you are only liable for 25% of tuition fees payable when you start earning over 23,000 as usual. You may be able to talk to uni about getting out of accommodation contract or defering. Act quickly as some unis have cooling off period.

I am not in a position where I wish to defer or withdraw from my course. Asides from that, thanks for the advice. This should be useful to those who are thinking about deferring.
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Original post by Anonymous
Get a grip child

no.
Original post by Ciel.
no.

I just love these big brave anonymous posters huh!
Original post by Anonymous
You sound a little butthurt to me


Aww diddums, did I block you?
Original post by Smokestar
chill out mate. Just because people in the past suffered doesn't excuse young peoples problems. People have been quarantined for 6 months only to further quarantine whilst having to pay full tuition fees which is a right scam.

Why is paying full tuition fees a scam? Don't you want a degree? Do you think the universities and the lecturers like the way things are?! It's the way like is at the moment. We students are probably in the best place right now!!!
Original post by Anonymous
Why is paying full tuition fees a scam? Don't you want a degree? Do you think the universities and the lecturers like the way things are?! It's the way like is at the moment. We students are probably in the best place right now!!!

I mean universities are still getting their money and still have students signed and paying for accommodation so it's not like they are losing out.
Original post by Anonymous
Why is paying full tuition fees a scam? Don't you want a degree? Do you think the universities and the lecturers like the way things are?! It's the way like is at the moment. We students are probably in the best place right now!!!

Try being a fine Art Student or doing Film Studies or even Chemistry and Biology with no labs or workshops. No way same degree experience in terms of study.
Original post by kkona
my last year of high school, prom cancelled, no awards ceremony, nothing. I thought we were nearing the end of this covid thing so I could have some form of enjoyment in this new experience in life. nope, freshers week cancelled, no parties, no clubs, no socialising outside your own flat. Wow, Why did my uni wait till so late to inform us that most things are going to be online? I could have stayed home but now I feel isolated and alone in what is meant to be the best year(s) of my life.

Its rough but uni have no idea whats going on or is going to happen with covid just like we don't. Nobody has their lives together and nobody is living their best life during a global pandemic. My first and second year too probably will not be as expected but we are alive and still get the chance to learn. Afterall, thats the purpose of uni. The pubs and clubs will still be open when the pandemics less messy, and they are still a thing when you graduate too. Its gonna be okay. We are all going to go through this together.
I'm a masters degree student and have 100% face to face because I'm doing a research based degree. Sucks for the undergrads who have primarily class based work (being moved online:/). My sympathies go to those who have been adversely affected by this monumental overreaction by the government.
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Original post by confuseduser
I'm a masters degree student and have 100% face to face because I'm doing a research based degree. Sucks for the undergrads who have primarily class based work (being moved online:/). My sympathies go to those who have been adversely affected by this monumental overreaction by the government.

Remember when there were 1,000 deaths a day back in April and may? That could’ve been avoided by getting a grip on lockdown early and having a shorter one like Germany had (that lasted only 4 weeks). Bear in mind that there were on average 1,000 deaths a day in the UK before the pandemic, Covid effectively doubled the total daily death toll so it’s hardly an overreaction
Original post by Anonymous
Remember when there were 1,000 deaths a day back in April and may? That could’ve been avoided by getting a grip on lockdown early and having a shorter one like Germany had (that lasted only 4 weeks). Bear in mind that there were on average 1,000 deaths a day in the UK before the pandemic, Covid effectively doubled the total daily death toll so it’s hardly an overreaction

I'm not an advocate of lockdowns, there is a lot of research that shows they do not work. You are free to find those journal articles in your own time.
Original post by Scotney
I just love these big brave anonymous posters huh!

We love you too ☝️👄
Original post by confuseduser
I'm not an advocate of lockdowns, there is a lot of research that shows they do not work. You are free to find those journal articles in your own time.

I.e. those journals don’t exist. The only facts we have are that after a lockdown deaths decreased by nearly 100%. The rest is theory/speculation
Original post by confuseduser
I'm not an advocate of lockdowns, there is a lot of research that shows they do not work. You are free to find those journal articles in your own time.

Totally agree.

Currently covid deaths are about 500 deaths a month in the UK.
Currently the FLU is killing more people.

Now I know people are gonna get upset about me drawing comparisons with the Flu but tough.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-vaccine-deaths-nhs-ineffective-crisis-bad-weather-illness-2017-a8660496.html
2018 50000 excess deaths


Now, if people want to self isolate and protect themselves from covid. That is fine.
But there has to be an acceptable amount of deaths that we can live with while reopening universities and colleges.
Let's not forget that university students are at the least amount of risk and there is no requirements for lecturers to go within 2 meters of us. With many of us staying in university halls meaning we do not interact with family.


Or is it simply going to be the case that we all live like hermits until covid has been fully delt with and there is zero deaths?
Seems crazy considering that non-covid related deaths are predicted to be at a all time high this winter due to people being too afraid to go to the doctor or get shots.
The fear of covid may well end up killing more people then the virus itself.
Original post by adam271
Totally agree.

Currently covid deaths are about 500 deaths a month in the UK.
Currently the FLU is killing more people.

Now I know people are gonna get upset about me drawing comparisons with the Flu but tough.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-vaccine-deaths-nhs-ineffective-crisis-bad-weather-illness-2017-a8660496.html
2018 50000 excess deaths


Now, if people want to self isolate and protect themselves from covid. That is fine.
But there has to be an acceptable amount of deaths that we can live with while reopening universities and colleges.
Let's not forget that university students are at the least amount of risk and there is no requirements for lecturers to go within 2 meters of us. With many of us staying in university halls meaning we do not interact with family.


Or is it simply going to be the case that we all live like hermits until covid has been fully delt with and there is zero deaths?
Seems crazy considering that non-covid related deaths are predicted to be at a all time high this winter due to people being too afraid to go to the doctor or get shots.
The fear of covid may well end up killing more people then the virus itself.

Unfortunately, people are too lazy to consider alternative viewpoints. Instead, they say there isn't one, which is bad practice and shows that they have been misled by the current 24/7 media sensationalism. In reality, the flu is killing many times more people than the coronavirus currently is.

People die all the time, and its a fact of life. I know people that have died during my lifetime, but I just moved on (and didn't spend my time moaning about it!) so I am less likely to care about a few excess deaths of random people I haven't met.

Way more people die from bad lifestyle choices like excessive alcohol consumption, smoking, sedentary behaviour and obesity. Yet they also claim to be proponents of lockdown (hmm?)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890
Original post by confuseduser
Unfortunately, people are too lazy to consider alternative viewpoints. Instead, they say there isn't one, which is bad practice and shows that they have been misled by the current 24/7 media sensationalism. In reality, the flu is killing many times more people than the coronavirus currently is.

People die all the time, and its a fact of life. I know people that have died during my lifetime, but I just moved on (and didn't spend my time moaning about it!) so I am less likely to care about a few excess deaths of random people I haven't met.

Way more people die from bad lifestyle choices like excessive alcohol consumption, smoking, sedentary behaviour and obesity. Yet they also claim to be proponents of lockdown (hmm?)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Your totally right.
How many people are going to die from cancelled cancelled Hospital appointments and not being able to see their Doctor I wonder?
Original post by confuseduser
Unfortunately, people are too lazy to consider alternative viewpoints. Instead, they say there isn't one, which is bad practice and shows that they have been misled by the current 24/7 media sensationalism. In reality, the flu is killing many times more people than the coronavirus currently is.

People die all the time, and its a fact of life. I know people that have died during my lifetime, but I just moved on (and didn't spend my time moaning about it!) so I am less likely to care about a few excess deaths of random people I haven't met.

Way more people die from bad lifestyle choices like excessive alcohol consumption, smoking, sedentary behaviour and obesity. Yet they also claim to be proponents of lockdown (hmm?)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

‘Currently’ - do you know why less people are dying of Covid now? Maybe it’s because we literally had a three month lockdown which was successful enough to drive down deaths? There’s not another viewpoint to consider. Excess deaths from Covid were higher than all causes you mentioned combined in April and May.
Original post by adam271
Your totally right.
How many people are going to die from cancelled cancelled Hospital appointments and not being able to see their Doctor I wonder?

So far, 30,000 cancer patients could die because of delayed treatment. The covid obsession has made it more difficult for people to access essential treatment in a first world country. Apparently, deaths from general obesity have increased as well. Binge drinking + drug use has also gone up. People think that spikes in the recent death rate were purely attributed to covid, when they were actually from the lockdown.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cancer-care-backlog-may-cost-30-000-lives-boris-johnson-told-2ttvw330l
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Original post by Anonymous
‘Currently’ - do you know why less people are dying of Covid now? Maybe it’s because we literally had a three month lockdown which was successful enough to drive down deaths? There’s not another viewpoint to consider because your logic is total garbage (how unfortunate that you’re supposedly a masters student). Excess deaths from Covid were higher than all causes you mentioned

Come over to the Coronavirus Megathread for a debate on the usefullness of lockdowns. I mean you won't be able to hide behind the anon function, but I'm sure it will be very entertaining nonetheless.

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