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Surds simultaneous equations.

Just need a bit of help here guys. Im doing fine in all my modules (Im doing full further maths), but theres one question in my book that I can't do for some reason. I can do all of the questions before and after it, but this one just won't work.

Solve the simultaneous equations

5x3y=41 5x-3y=41
(72)x+(42)y=82 (7\sqrt2)x+(4\sqrt2)y=82

I have tried finding x and y from the first equation and subbing in, and also expanding the second brackets then multiplying by sqrt2 for some reason.

Any help?

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Reply 1
Just treat them as you would any other simultaneous equation.
Reply 2
Any chance of a little more detail? I haven't done simultaneous equations for a long time, and I've already tried what I remember. A nudge in the right direction would be sufficient :smile:
Reply 3
5x - 3y = 41
14x + 8y = 82sqrt2 (multiplied 2nd equation by sqrt2)

Then work it out (make x the subject of one equation and substitute it into the other, or y)
Reply 4
I can rearrange 5x3y=415x-3y=41 into x= and y=. but when I try and substitute them into the other equation I can't get anywhere at all. I've tried making x or y the subject of the second equation but again once I've done that I can't get anywhere.
I'm stuck on this exactly same question, so any help would be appreciated.
Reply 6
PhyMath
I can rearrange 5x3y=415x-3y=41 into x= and y=. but when I try and substitute them into the other equation I can't get anywhere at all. I've tried making x or y the subject of the second equation but again once I've done that I can't get anywhere.


did you sub both in? you only have to sub 1 in. then you'll only have 1 unknown and loads of numbers/surds which you just have to sort out
Tried subbing both x and y in, but still can't get an answer. Any more help please?
Reply 8
Post your working pls.
5x- 3y = 41 Rearrange to get x = (41 + 3y)/5
Sbstitute into second equation = (7 root2 x)(41 + 3y over 5) + 4root2y = 82
Then I try getting rid of the fraction bymultiplying each side with 5, but can't get any further.
Reply 10
definite_maybe
5x- 3y = 41 Rearrange to get x = (41 + 3y)/5
Sbstitute into second equation = (7 root2 x)(41 + 3y over 5) + 4root2y = 82
Then I try getting rid of the fraction bymultiplying each side with 5, but can't get any further.


The second equation would correctly read:
72(41+3y5)+42y=827\sqrt2(\frac{41+3y}{5})+4\sqrt2y=82
Then do you multiply them by root 2?
Reply 12
definite_maybe
Then do you multiply them by root 2?


Sure. And get rid of the 5 in the denominator.
Thanks. Got there in the end. Y=5√2 - 7 and substitute to get X.
Reply 14
definite_maybe
Thanks. Got there in the end. Y=5√2 - 7 and substitute to get X.


You're welcome! :smile:
PhyMath
Just need a bit of help here guys. Im doing fine in all my modules (Im doing full further maths), but theres one question in my book that I can't do for some reason. I can do all of the questions before and after it, but this one just won't work.

Solve the simultaneous equations

5x3y=41 5x-3y=41
(72)x+(42)y=82 (7\sqrt2)x+(4\sqrt2)y=82

I have tried finding x and y from the first equation and subbing in, and also expanding the second brackets then multiplying by sqrt2 for some reason.

Any help?


You could rearrange the second equation to get:

7x+4y=4127x + 4y = 41\sqrt2

This is achieved by dividing through by 2\sqrt2.
Reply 16
Thanks, I've already worked it out though. It took me long enough.

Once you get to the step you mentioned you can multiply up to

35x21y=28735x-21y=287
35x+20y=205235x+20y=205\sqrt2

Then subtract to get

41y=2872052-41y=287-205\sqrt2

Then divide by 41

y=752-y=7-5\sqrt2

Rearranging to

y=527y=5\sqrt2-7


Then I just subbed in my result.

Thanks for all the help guys.
PhyMath
Thanks, I've already worked it out though. It took me long enough.

Once you get to the step you mentioned you can multiply up to

35x21y=28735x-21y=287
35x+20y=205235x+20y=205\sqrt2

Then subtract to get

41y=2872052-41y=287-205\sqrt2

Then divide by 41

y=752-y=7-5\sqrt2

Rearranging to

y=527y=5\sqrt2-7


Then I just subbed in my result.

Thanks for all the help guys.


My pleasure, and thanks for the rep. :biggrin: (Although it was neutral pos. :p:)
How did you get the 205?
Reply 19
Original post by Renzopiano.
How did you get the 205?


Multiply by 5 throughout.