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No..please take this to the Entertainment forum.
I was just mentioning it, there very politically inspired

Transmission third world war third round
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above **** it cut the cord
Anyway I think that poorer countries may be jealous, but more developed countries. The UK for example can see the many flaws of the country. There economy is a mess, Bush dosen't have a clue and seems to want to push Christian views onto people of this "Land of the Free". Iraq is an even bigger joke
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(Original post by OMGWTF)
I was just mentioning it, there very politically inspired
Incase you havn't found it yet, there's a ratm FAQ around on the internet which explains a lot of the lyrics.
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That the massive txt document? I read that and was pretty amazing they involve all these martyrs and activists in their lyrics. Aswell as play amazingly
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(Original post by technik)
poncey sutherner :p:
im a norttherner ye daft bugger.
But i've just come back to london, and am suffering withdrawal from my nice centrally heated home.
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That the massive txt document? I read that and was pretty amazing they involve all these martyrs and activists in their lyrics. Aswell as play amazingly
That's the one. I was pretty impressed aswell, quite interesting reading actually.
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I said that Bush is trying to claim we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqi people. You said you weren't aware he's ever done something like that. Then I said "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and you said "what about it?" My point was that Bush is trying to claim that we've invaded Iraq to save the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein.
Bush claimed that this was one of the reasons and certainly one of the goals in providing long term security to the United States. That is the primary objective. I cannot recall Reagan or Bush claiming that campaigns such as the current one in Iraq were entirely motivated by the liberation of an oppressed population.

I believe that what we're doing in Iraq is placing a democracy and controlling how it is to be done, under our conditions, and allowing the Iraqis to participate in it (or not participate in it). Where you said, "If you believe in removing a regime and allowing Iraqis to establish their own form of government, free to vote as they wish, free to abstain as they wish, invalidates the legitimacy of a democratic Iraq..." I disagree.
The US is providing material support and security for the elections under request from the Iraqi government. The US has clearly declared that the Iraqi people be free to choose the leadership and governance, to which the US will respect.

I don't think we're allowing the Iraqis to establish their own form of government. 1) It is not their form of government. We are providing the form of government. 2) They are not establishing it. We have established it and they are allowed to participate in it.
The United States established a provisional government following the removal of Saddam. Since that point, the direction of the country has been in the hands of the Iraqis. They will be free to produce a constitution, a system of government aswell as the legislative procedures necessary, through their own sovereign means. I can only assume that you would have preferred to see the US leave Iraq without any kind of infrastructure or governance whatosever.
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(Original post by lessthanthree)
I don't think it's culture is forced by any means.

People adopt their colloquialisms because they think it's "cool". it'll therefore make them "like, sooo cool" to talk like some valleygirl cheerleader.

Okay, we get their programmes and films aired internationally, but nobody's forced into going to see them. Nobody's forced to by american products. These sorts of things sell by reputation and association. Ergo, those that associate the USA with sucessful products, or good films, will endorse more american items and media.
Nobody is 'forced' to buy microsoft products, but when no one else is able to make competing products, tthen it becomes a grwat difficulty.

A year or so ago there was a huge steel deficit in the uk due to the boom in china, and americans stopping exports (apparently stocking the steel up to wait a beter exchange rate/market price). We were forced to pay a cack load extra to buy from america because of it.

And vienna, i do love how you are so definate with your answers. We had direct control, true. But i would argue that we now have the following.
America preaches free trade but has never followed it. It has infact grown rich through the simple notion of free trade within its own borders, but not with the rest of the world. 'Ergo' as people keep putting it, it is rich whereas a great deal of the world is poor.
It then gives aid in return for countries doing as they are told, either buying american products (as a opposed to russian, china etc), allowing american military bases, allowing american oil/gas companies etc etc. The aid by the by will typically be much less than what america profits from the oils of said country.
When a country tries to break free of this cycle, is, and will be put down, by force if necessary.
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Nobody is 'forced' to buy microsoft products, but when no one else is able to make competing products, tthen it becomes a grwat difficulty.
Microsoft practically have 90% market share, 25% is considered a monopoly in the US and monopolys are strictly illegal. Yet Microsoft are and still will in many years to come rake in cash.

The reasons why people don't like America is because we're economically dependant on them, when they **** up we get pulled into it
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And vienna, i do love how you are so definate with your answers.
someone said i was too abstract this morning. funny world.

We had direct control, true. But i would argue that we now have the following.
America preaches free trade but has never followed it. It has infact grown rich through the simple notion of free trade within its own borders, but not with the rest of the world. 'Ergo' as people keep putting it, it is rich whereas a great deal of the world is poor.
It then gives aid in return for countries doing as they are told, either buying american products (as a opposed to russian, china etc), allowing american military bases, allowing american oil/gas companies etc etc. The aid by the by will typically be much less than what america profits from the oils of said country.
When a country tries to break free of this cycle, is, and will be put down, by force if necessary.
If we take your plot to be representative of any half truth, then the French are indeed the masters of this 'imperial' game. America chases national interest, whats new? This exists without ever having the need or consequence of an empire.
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(Original post by OMGWTF)
Microsoft practically have 90% market share, 25% is considered a monopoly in the US and monopolys are strictly illegal. Yet Microsoft are and still will in many years to come rake in cash.

The reasons why people don't like America is because we're economically dependant on them, when they **** up we get pulled into it
"If youre impotent, look closer at your own socio-economic deficiencies instead of demanding Viagra from Washington".
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not really.

they'll only pick soft targets. they wouldnt dare try it on with any of the major world powers, not because they'd lose as such, but because they'd pay a heavy price.
Just the other day China sent several drones back to Israel to have them fixed/upgraded (as they bought them from Israel). When the US found out about it they demmanded that Israel not return the weapons. Israel was forced to oblige even though China is very upset by this (I read this in the international press online- not on state run TV). This is a big deal to China and the US refuses to back down, there is nothing China can do.
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Just the other day China sent several drones back to Israel to have them fixed/upgraded (as they bought them from Israel). When the US found out about it they demmanded that Israel not return the weapons. Israel was forced to oblige even though China is very upset by this (I read this in the international press online- not on state run TV). This is a big deal to China and the US refuses to back down, there is nothing China can do.
When China starts providing material and political aid to Israel, they have a claim. Until then, Israel will continue to be an ally of the United States alone.
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(Original post by vienna95)
The US does not have an empire, although we could characterise its dominance as being imperial in nature.
What's this Vienna?? I guess our weeks of debate over labelling the US as imperialistic finally got to you.
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(Original post by vienna95)
When China starts providing material and political aid to Israel, they have a claim. Until then, Israel will continue to be an ally of the United States alone.
I agree, I just used it as an example to show that we are not as passive as some might think with the big boys.
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(Original post by OMGWTF)
I never really gave a ****, but since listening to RATM it kinda opened my eyes. America is a ****ed up country
I know what you mean, I saw this documentary on television the other night about a giant gorilla that recked havock on NYC, the army had to eventually shoot it down. American clearly sucks.
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Im sorry for being so synical about the US's goverment and economy. The goverment is free, fair and better than everyelses, the economy is perfect in everyway, they don't create any pollution and they love making friends with other countries.

One day I hope to live there
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Well, here comes the oppinon of the libera lefty, watch out!

Ok, Living next to an elephant, knowing its portayed history in the media as liberators, symbol of democracy, ect.

America, since its birth, have been expansionists. The native peoples were pilaged, raped and enslaved by americans as the U.S. moved ever more west. The U.S. invaded Canada in 1812 in an attempt to rule to continent, failed horribly. The U.S. attacked mexico, and annexed Florida, Texas and California. The U.S. purchased Alaska from russia, and annexed the islands of the coast of British columbia, claiming them.

The U.S. Invaded Cuba
The U.S. contructed the Panama canal, and stationed troops their, to protect its interests
The U.S. invaded the Philipines


Now, these are all before 1914. Now, during the cold war, i can list more, but im sure "bush lovers" with nit pick this apart, so why bother.
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Well, here comes the oppinon of the libera lefty, watch out!

Ok, Living next to an elephant, knowing its portayed history in the media as liberators, symbol of democracy, ect.

America, since its birth, have been expansionists. The native peoples were pilaged, raped and enslaved by americans as the U.S. moved ever more west. The U.S. invaded Canada in 1812 in an attempt to rule to continent, failed horribly. The U.S. attacked mexico, and annexed Florida, Texas and California. The U.S. purchased Alaska from russia, and annexed the islands of the coast of British columbia, claiming them.

The U.S. Invaded Cuba
The U.S. contructed the Panama canal, and stationed troops their, to protect its interests
The U.S. invaded the Philipines


Now, these are all before 1914. Now, during the cold war, i can list more, but im sure "bush lovers" with nit pick this apart, so why bother.
tried the british approach to world domination. but failed
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I don't think that general British hatred of America is simply something based on jealousy, but its more the sort of ingrained snobbery of British people over the brash loud natured attitude of lots of aspects of British life. If you ask most people about George Bush the first thing that they'll say is that he's dumb, because in Britain we have a tradition of academic politicians, therefore British people look down on the American system as a whole, just like the upper class liberal Bostonians look down on the rest of their fellow country men.
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Hmmm, I don't like the way America abuses its power and forces its culture on to everybody else.
The US is the number one owner of intellectual property in the world. Other countries WANT our culture- they listen to Brittney Spears, the watch Star Wars and the NBA, they tune into MTV, they wear Reebok and Nike shoes, eat at McDonalds, and drink Coca Cola. The US does not FORCE that on anyone, it is sought out and desired.
It's not jealousy... why would I be jealous of it? I've looked at the domestic problems people have... such as loads of gun crime and kidnappings, some people being left without medical insurance and having huge debts from medical bills, and so on...
YES, jealousy has a lot to do with our resentment. Compared to the rest of the world, we have one of the safest, cleanest, poltically free, diverse, and wealthiest countries on earth. The US is one of the greatest county on earth in almost all tangiable comparable categories and the American people KNOW that. In essence, we are the neighbors with the nice house, the fast car, and the fashionalbe clothes, and all the other neighbors ***** about us (the wealthiest country, the most popular culture, and the most powerful military).

People in the states live large and people hate them for that. Yes, there are global political issues, but how many people are actually knowledgeable regarding these. Most will say they are against this or that- but fail to have any kind of solid grasp on the issue. I am a international politics student and I am very aware of how little I truely know. Besides, there are numerous countries in the world which are FAR worse than the United States and they do not have near the ressentment that we do.

The US is far from a perfect country, and I for one wish that we would make many many changes regarding foreign policy, but NO country is perfect. No one seems to understand this. The people in China are all baffled by the fact that I do not like 'my own' president. I tell them, Im an American, I can like whoever I want.
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