R77 – Ministerial Report from the Home Secretary – High-rise firefighting measures

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R77 – Ministerial Report from the Home Secretary – High-rise firefighting measures

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Ministerial Report: Home Office
Secretary of State: The Rt. Hon. Aph MP


High-rise firefighting measures: response to VM629

I would like to inform the House on the action the Government will take in as a result of the passing of VM629.

Minimum standards imposed
All fire services shall be required to purchase at least one aerial platform capable of reaching the tallest building in their area of responsibility.

If said building is taller than the highest aerial platform that can possibly be purchased, then the fire service in question must buy the tallest one they can.

Funding provided
Fire services will be entitled to funding from the Government for the purchase of these aerial platforms. The estimated cost of the initiative is between £50m and £200m, and this expenditure will come out of the budget for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.
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I approve of the response... even if it is another one that has missed the 28 day target.
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I approve of the response... even if it is another one that has missed the 28 day target.
What if the government deliberately missed the target to make the point that the target isn't there for the benefit of others to hold them to account for?
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What if the government deliberately missed the target to make the point that the target isn't there for the benefit of others to hold them to account for?
If the government is that petulant and petty it says more about them than it does those wishing to hold them to account
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I thank the Home Secretary for bringing this forward. This is not something I object to and it has my support.
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If the government is that petulant and petty it says more about them than it does those wishing to hold them to account
Hold them to account over what specifically?
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A lot of the time people think height helps but in the case of big tower block fires sometimes these lifts may reach high enough but the heat intensity is too high and you can't go that close.

Can some fire services not share equipment? Rural areas for example.
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Can some fire services not share equipment? Rural areas for example.
I would imagine the issue there is getting it to the scene quickly. Lots of rural fire services serve large areas, and roads aren't always the best, so having to share resources and have them travel from a neighbouring service could mean they take a lot longer to get to the scene.
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I would imagine the issue there is getting it to the scene quickly. Lots of rural fire services serve large areas, and roads aren't always the best, so having to share resources and have them travel from a neighbouring service could mean they take a lot longer to get to the scene.
What I'm saying is, is making each service buy a lift worth it? Especially the rural ones. My local fire service has one pumping appliance crewed by retained firefighters. There is no need to have an airlift, likewise with the other local fire services in the rural countryside.

There needs to be an urban/rural nuance in this and allowing some exceptions.

Although I have no idea what this really is, I just saw it on my sidebar so I may have come in all guns blazing and missed something.
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I approve of the response... even if it is another one that has missed the 28 day target.
Nothing less should be expected from such an idle government.
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Mr Speaker, this statement has my full support.
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And mine.
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A very quick Google suggests that the highest Skylift is made from Bronto and is 367ft (as of 5 years ago anyway) this is no where near tall enough to reach the top of the Shard for example and at least the next 75 tallest buildings in the United Kingdom.

These tall tall buildings often don't need a lift because inbuilt fire defense and existing equipment is suitable.

I think this piece of whatever has a headline good vibe but is really unworkable and cost ineffective, it needs to be done on a case-by-case basis rather than making every fire authority by a massive lift when they may not need one.
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A very quick Google suggests that the highest Skylift is made from Bronto and is 367ft (as of 5 years ago anyway) this is no where near tall enough to reach the top of the Shard for example and at least the next 75 tallest buildings in the United Kingdom.

These tall tall buildings often don't know a lift because inbuilt fire defense and existing equipment is suitable.

I think this piece of whatever has a headline good vibe but is really unworkable and cost ineffective, it needs to be done on a case-by-case basis rather than making every fire authority by a massive lift when they may not need one.
Totally agree

Unfortunately, this piece of legislation has already been debated and voted on (here), this is just the government's response to it
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A very quick Google suggests that the highest Skylift is made from Bronto and is 367ft (as of 5 years ago anyway) this is no where near tall enough to reach the top of the Shard for example and at least the next 75 tallest buildings in the United Kingdom.

These tall tall buildings often don't need a lift because inbuilt fire defense and existing equipment is suitable.

I think this piece of whatever has a headline good vibe but is really unworkable and cost ineffective, it needs to be done on a case-by-case basis rather than making every fire authority by a massive lift when they may not need one.
You raise good points on the topic, but as my colleague Theloniouss has said, the House asked for this and so this ministerial report is mostly a formality in order to give the House what it requires. It is however an item that the House will vote on, so by all means you could lobby people to change their minds and reject this initiative.
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Aye.
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Exterminate definitely raises some good points on this - that being said, it has my support still.
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Totally agree

Unfortunately, this piece of legislation has already been debated and voted on (here), this is just the government's response to it
Except this is the prospective legislation, that was a motion. Or alternatively this is also not legislation and this is just another case of the government pretending to do something rather than writing the necessary legislation.
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Except this is the prospective legislation, that was a motion. Or alternatively this is also not legislation and this is just another case of the government pretending to do something rather than writing the necessary legislation.
Yes, technically.
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Yes, technically.
Also not technically, in no way is a motion legislation for anything other than best legislation according to silly people who don't know what legislation is.
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