U.S. signs anti-abortion declaration with "conservative countries"

The Trump administration signed an anti-abortion declaration on Thursday with 3o other countries, including conservative and authoritarian governments in Egypt, Uganda, Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Hungary and more.
Why it matters: The non-binding Geneva Consensus Declaration, intended to “promote women’s health and strengthen the family,” is a rebuke of the United Nations Human Rights Council's classification of abortion access as a universal human right.
The big picture: The document marks the Trump administration’s latest aim at abortion rights and coincides with the pending confirmation of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, who abortion supporters have argued is likely to strike down Roe v. Wade.
Details: The declaration claims that abortion is at odds with family and family planning.

Between the lines: Since 2016, President Trump has taken steps to curtail abortion and restrict access to contraception. He has also promised to “fully” defund health care providers that perform abortions, such as Planned Parenthood.
Where it stands: Barrett has written that abortion is “always immoral” but declined to answer hypothetical questions about whether she would challenge its legality during her confirmation hearings.

and coincides with the pending confirmation of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, who abortion supporters have argued is likely to strike down Roe v. Wade.

Overturning Roe wouldn't ban abortion in all 50 states but would just delegate the issue of abortion to individual states.

It would de jure ban it in many states. I do find the idea of something being banned, only in certain bits of the country mind, rather odd though

including conservative and authoritarian governments in Egypt, Uganda, Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Hungary and more.

even if a state criminalises it it doesn’t prevent abortion as women have been finding ways to do it since the beginning of time. before the Abortion Act 1967 women were drinking poison, throwing themselves down stairs, shoving things inside themselves, finding backstreet abortions. they don’t have to go to such extremes anymore cuz you can buy abortion pills online which is what women in Northern Ireland often resorted to before it got legalised.

Is the fact that people still steal and attack others reason enough to decriminalize assault and theft?

defunding Planned Parenthood et al and making a non-binding, virtue signalling ‘declaration’ is not the way to prevent abortions. even if a state criminalises it it doesn’t prevent abortion as women have been finding ways to do it since the beginning of time. before the Abortion Act 1967 women were drinking poison, throwing themselves down stairs, shoving things inside themselves, finding backstreet abortions. they don’t have to go to such extremes anymore cuz you can buy abortion pills online which is what women in Northern Ireland often resorted to before it got legalised.

if governments seriously wanted to prevent abortions they should be focusing on better birth control, better education and access to it, less stigma on premarital sex, less religious persecution for having premarital sex, more men taking responsibility for the children they help create, less sexual violence to name a few; but not this pointless ‘declaration’.

Is the fact that people still steal and attack others reason enough to decriminalize assault and theft?

Is the fact that people still steal and attack others reason enough to decriminalize assault and theft?

Rational debate evidently isn't your strong point.

It's interesting how 'conservative' seems to have somehow become a synonym for dictatorships when used in this context. Joining the likes of; Belarus, Saudi Arabia, Hungary, and Uganda .. not exactly covering itself in glory there.


https://www.axios.com/abortion-rights-declaration-united-nations-8d34aefb-f65e-417b-a6ec-7b22c1801f08.html

My point was that there will always be people who break the law, so you could make the same argument against criminalizing anything. Even though the state criminalizes assault, it doesn't completely prevent it because some people still do it anyway. I know fine well that if we ban abortion it won't completely prevent every abortion. But the deterrent of legislation will prevent some and each one it does prevent is another human life saved.

My point was that there will always be people who break the law, so you could make the same argument against criminalizing anything. Even though the state criminalizes assault, it doesn't completely prevent it because some people still do it anyway. I know fine well that if we ban abortion it won't completely prevent every abortion. But the deterrent of legislation will prevent some and each one it does prevent is another human life saved.

law isn’t a deterrent to crime. most people don’t even know what the law is. plus when you’re in a desperate situation you don’t even care if the law suits your situation hence why women have been breaking laws on abortion for years and why the Abortion Act 1967 passed into law.

it’s been proven by history that law doesn’t matter and isn’t a deterrent. do you want an effective method of preventing abortion or do you want to just show how anti abortion you are. the latter makes no sense to me except to satisfy one’s ego.