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Students mental health is getting really bad and we are all under a lot of pressure including our teachers. there is too much to study and revise for as we missed 3 whole months of education. Students and Teachers are having nervous breakdowns and it is really stressful. Wales, Northern Ireland etc have all decided to cancel a level and gcse exams in the upcoming year. It should be done in London iswell as we are also stressed and we’ve missed out on a lot of education. There is a ridiculous amount of loss of work that we won’t get back.


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I don't think so.

If we have an effective corona testing system, students could have a test before they go for a test.

If they are positive they wouldn't be allowed in, if they are negative then there's no risk of spreading.

Scrapping exam, year after year, is unfair for students and universities.

And no, Northern Ireland has not cancelled their exams. They have merely pushed it back a week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54482867
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I don't think so.

If we have an effective corona testing system, students could have a test before they go for a test.

If they are positive they wouldn't be allowed in, if they are negative then there's no risk of spreading.

Scrapping exam, year after year, is unfair for students and universities.

And no, Northern Ireland has not cancelled their exams. They may merely pushed it back a week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54482867
I completely agree, having had to take ANOTHER year out, and not being able to prove myself in written exams was horrible. I wouldn't want anyone to go through it.

I can imagine the amount of work students have done for these exams and cancelling them for another year would be disastrous!
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cancel the exams pls
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I completely agree, having had to take ANOTHER year out, and not being able to prove myself in written exams was horrible. I wouldn't want anyone to go through it.

I can imagine the amount of work students have done for these exams and cancelling them for another year would be disastrous!
Especially because we do have more effective COVID testing (and will be better by next year); also there will (hopefully) be a vaccine by Spring 2021.

I see no reason to not allow students to prove themselves, as you said.

Teaching predicted grades can be unfair, depending on where you study. 2020 was a one-off which hopefully will never be repeated, for the sake of future students.
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Nah sorry, need to do a lot better than 'cancel stuff!' without any proposed alternative.

TBH I'm biased, up in Scotland we've had lecturer strikes every year for years, so you get quite used to being pretty self sufficient and not overreacting to the various institutional freakouts.
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(Original post by sumiizx)
Students mental health is getting really bad and we are all under a lot of pressure including our teachers. there is too much to study and revise for as we missed 3 whole months of education. Students and Teachers are having nervous breakdowns and it is really stressful. Wales, Northern Ireland etc have all decided to cancel a level and gcse exams in the upcoming year. It should be done in London iswell as we are also stressed and we’ve missed out on a lot of education. There is a ridiculous amount of loss of work that we won’t get back.
No, they must not be cancelled. Why haven't you self-studied? Why do you "deserve" a qualification if you haven't reached the required level? How can you continue to study in higher education without having completed the previous level?

There's no doubt that these are difficult times, but we can't reduce standards - Doctors, Engineers, etc, still need to know what they're doing.
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As somebody who has actually dealt with very poor mental health (and who still isn't great) I have a lot of empathy with everyone who is struggling right now, from all walks of life.

However, this whole 'let's use poor mental health' as an excuse whenever the going gets a little bit tough is starting to wear thin. Life isn't stress free, and life isn't fair. I think a lot of people really need to work on their resilience issues when it comes to things like this.

Cancelling exams won't help you. Yeah you might not have 'mental health' struggles if you don't want to sit your exams, but you will end up being stressed out when you get to university (or whatever you plan to do next) and haven't got a clue what you are doing because you didn't have to do any actual work to get there. Look at the mess that happened this year, there are thousands of students across the country who got onto courses they probably wouldn't have in normal times, will probably struggle, and eventually drop out. Do you think this is good for their mental health or stress levels?

No I'm not going to be one of those people who says going to school is useless and we can all teach ourselves. There's a lot more to school (and university) than just the education aspect. Nonetheless, it's your life and your future. If you feel you're not getting the teaching you need, show some motivation and start self-teaching yourself. Motivating yourself and not expecting spoon-feeding is another life skill people seem to lack.
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Scrapping exam, year after year, is unfair for students and universities.
I see both points of view and remain relatively neutral given I'm a uni student so am not taking a-levels or gcse's this year - however I do agree with this statement.

If you continue to cancel exams, where does it end? We don't know how long this crazy period will last, we need some form of assessment eventually.
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No, they must not be cancelled. Why haven't you self-studied? Why do you "deserve" a qualification if you haven't reached the required level? How can you continue to study in higher education without having completed the previous level?

There's no doubt that these are difficult times, but we can't reduce standards - Doctors, Engineers, etc, still need to know what they're doing.
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As somebody who has actually dealt with very poor mental health (and who still isn't great) I have a lot of empathy with everyone who is struggling right now, from all walks of life.

However, this whole 'let's use poor mental health' as an excuse whenever the going gets a little bit tough is starting to wear thin. Life isn't stress free, and life isn't fair. I think a lot of people really need to work on their resilience issues when it comes to things like this.

Cancelling exams won't help you. Yeah you might not have 'mental health' struggles if you don't want to sit your exams, but you will end up being stressed out when you get to university (or whatever you plan to do next) and haven't got a clue what you are doing because you didn't have to do any actual work to get there. Look at the mess that happened this year, there are thousands of students across the country who got onto courses they probably wouldn't have in normal times, will probably struggle, and eventually drop out. Do you think this is good for their mental health or stress levels?

No I'm not going to be one of those people who says going to school is useless and we can all teach ourselves. There's a lot more to school (and university) than just the education aspect. Nonetheless, it's your life and your future. If you feel you're not getting the teaching you need, show some motivation and start self-teaching yourself. Motivating yourself and not expecting spoon-feeding is another life skill people seem to lack.
Agreed and PRSOM both of your posts!
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Students mental health is getting really bad and we are all under a lot of pressure including our teachers. there is too much to study and revise for as we missed 3 whole months of education. Students and Teachers are having nervous breakdowns and it is really stressful. Wales, Northern Ireland etc have all decided to cancel a level and gcse exams in the upcoming year. It should be done in London iswell as we are also stressed and we’ve missed out on a lot of education. There is a ridiculous amount of loss of work that we won’t get back.
No - I'm a teacher and it's not that bad. I know a lot of other teachers and you are over stating the issue. Why did you miss three months of education; didn't you do the work you were set? We taught online [state school] and we are where we should be at the moment.
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As somebody who has actually dealt with very poor mental health (and who still isn't great) I have a lot of empathy with everyone who is struggling right now, from all walks of life.

However, this whole 'let's use poor mental health' as an excuse whenever the going gets a little bit tough is starting to wear thin. Life isn't stress free, and life isn't fair. I think a lot of people really need to work on their resilience issues when it comes to things like this.

Cancelling exams won't help you. Yeah you might not have 'mental health' struggles if you don't want to sit your exams, but you will end up being stressed out when you get to university (or whatever you plan to do next) and haven't got a clue what you are doing because you didn't have to do any actual work to get there. Look at the mess that happened this year, there are thousands of students across the country who got onto courses they probably wouldn't have in normal times, will probably struggle, and eventually drop out. Do you think this is good for their mental health or stress levels?

No I'm not going to be one of those people who says going to school is useless and we can all teach ourselves. There's a lot more to school (and university) than just the education aspect. Nonetheless, it's your life and your future. If you feel you're not getting the teaching you need, show some motivation and start self-teaching yourself. Motivating yourself and not expecting spoon-feeding is another life skill people seem to lack.
100000% Agree, as someone who was given grades they weren’t happy with last year and the uncertainty aspect with it, it isn’t a good situation to be in.
One poor mock grade and that could result in your whole grade dropping snd you missing out on a uni choice. It’s much better to be in control of your situation.
I think the best choice is for Exams to be shortened in content going forward but not outright cancelled.
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100000% Agree, as someone who was given grades they weren’t happy with last year and the uncertainty aspect with it, it isn’t a good situation to be in.
One poor mock grade and that could result in your whole grade dropping snd you missing out on a uni choice. It’s much better to be in control of your situation.
I think the best choice is for Exams to be shortened in content going forward but not outright cancelled.
How could your fairly cut content? There's no set order to teach the specification in ...what if I've already taught that section?
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However, this whole 'let's use poor mental health' as an excuse whenever the going gets a little bit tough is starting to wear thin. Life isn't stress free, and life isn't fair. I think a lot of people really need to work on their resilience issues when it comes to things like this.
Totally agree, TBH i'm terms of mental health awareness I think the pendulum has swung a touch too far and it's become almost a sacred cow not to be questioned. I also feel that increased openness about mental health should come with increased self responsibility for treatment, too often I seem to hear 'I can't do x, I have anxiety', 'what treatment do you get?' 'oh nothing, doctors can't help me '

One of my last big uni exams was quite telling, less than 1/4 of the class actually sat the exam normally, the other 3/4 all either had side desks with laptops or private quiet rooms to themselves and it all just felt a bit preposterous. I'm aware of the possibility of unfairly judging and invisible disabilities and stuff, but come on! the vast majority of these people seemed quite capable sitting in crowded rooms using pens and paper when it suited them, something is not quite right here.
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How could your fairly cut content? There's no set order to teach the specification in ...what if I've already taught that section?
I mean just speaking from the way I’ve been taught, paper 3 content for Biology and Chemistry wasn’t taught till much later in the year so maybe, those papers could just be integrated into the other 2 papers.
Also for Maths, instead of 2 separate pure papers how about just 1 bigger one eg of 150 marks
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No - I'm a teacher and it's not that bad. I know a lot of other teachers and you are over stating the issue. Why did you miss three months of education; didn't you do the work you were set? We taught online [state school] and we are where we should be at the moment.
Yes its great that your school was able to set up online lessons quickly but other schools are not so fortunate. Also, each school is going to be in face to face education - which is a lot more effective than online lessons - for a different length of time so it is unfair for everyone to receive a standardised test when not everyone will be in their educational setting for the required 190 days.
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How could your fairly cut content? There's no set order to teach the specification in ...what if I've already taught that section?
You could have on some of the questions that are typically taught at the end of the year an option to do one of the questions and the other question will not be taken into account. For example, The last question on paper 2 could be a choice between reaction rates and equilibrium OR analysis
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Yes its great that your school was able to set up online lessons quickly but other schools are not so fortunate. Also, each school is going to be in face to face education - which is a lot more effective than online lessons - for a different length of time so it is unfair for everyone to receive a standardised test when not everyone will be in their educational setting for the required 190 days.
What has "unfair" got to do with a qualification attesting to your level of ability? If you don't have the ability, you shouldn't get the qualification.
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What has "unfair" got to do with a qualification attesting to your level of ability? If you don't have the ability, you shouldn't get the qualification.i
I didn't say that the qualification being due to your ability was unfair, what I was saying is if schools go on lockdown several times - where each lockdown constitutes over 5% of the teaching for that year - then the ability of the student doesn't matter if they don't have access to teachers either in person or online, like in my school where we did not get any work set or communication from teachers for the first month of lockdown. Are you telling me that me and someone who had online lessons and constant support from teachers are in the same place?
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Yes its great that your school was able to set up online lessons quickly but other schools are not so fortunate. Also, each school is going to be in face to face education - which is a lot more effective than online lessons - for a different length of time so it is unfair for everyone to receive a standardised test when not everyone will be in their educational setting for the required 190 days.
Proof that online is ineffective please? I know my students progress is where it should be ... how long does an online platform take to set up? Work could be set anyway and was!
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