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i dont understand how the H+ conc = HA conc of a strong acid i.e HCl
but the H+ also = HA of a weak acid, like I know WHY it's equal, but .. what exactly is the difference calculation wise then? is it the Ka that makes all the difference?
Original post by cherrybunny
i dont understand how the H+ conc = HA conc of a strong acid i.e HCl
but the H+ also = HA of a weak acid, like I know WHY it's equal, but .. what exactly is the difference calculation wise then? is it the Ka that makes all the difference?


For strong HA , you assume [HA] = [H+]

But for weak acids, you can't assume this and you have to work out the H+ through Kc and other concentrations.
Original post by seals2001
For strong HA , you assume [HA] = [H+]

But for weak acids, you can't assume this and you have to work out the H+ through Kc and other concentrations.

ohhhh yeah, sorry hahah, so the HA at the start = HA at equilibrium for weak acids? i got confused with H+
Original post by seals2001
For strong HA , you assume [HA] = [H+]

But for weak acids, you can't assume this and you have to work out the H+ through Kc and other concentrations.

could you explain to me "you can assume all H+ ions in solution come from the acid, so H+ = A- ??????
Original post by cherrybunny
could you explain to me "you can assume all H+ ions in solution come from the acid, so H+ = A- ??????

HA <---> H+ + A-

There may be the odd A- in there due to impurities, but if you have a strong HA in solution which is pretty much guaranteed to dissociate, you can assume that about 99.999 % of all A- ions (e.g Cl- if the acid was HCl ) come from the acid dissociating.
Original post by seals2001
HA <---> H+ + A-

There may be the odd A- in there due to impurities, but if you have a strong HA in solution which is pretty much guaranteed to dissociate, you can assume that about 99.999 % of all A- ions (e.g Cl- if the acid was HCl ) come from the acid dissociating.

ohh i see, how come H+ = Cl- then ?? sorry im so bad at acids and bases
Original post by cherrybunny
ohh i see, how come H+ = Cl- then ?? sorry im so bad at acids and bases

The ratio of H+ ions to CL- ions is one to one in HCl, this stuff can be hard don't worry. If you want chem help watch:

Tyler Dewitt ( One of then best teachers I have ever seen ) - he is a chemistry teacher

Allery Chemistry

Eliot Rintoul
Original post by seals2001
The ratio of H+ ions to CL- ions is one to one in HCl, this stuff can be hard don't worry. If you want chem help watch:

Tyler Dewitt ( One of then best teachers I have ever seen ) - he is a chemistry teacher

Allery Chemistry

Eliot Rintoul

thank you so much :smile:

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