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Not a lot happened this week. I have still been trying to book an interview with the civil service - slots were only available once last Friday for 2 hours or less (i.e. by the time I had checked the portal after receiving a message that slots were available, they had all gone). I have been checking regularly since but no slots have become available. Extremely frustrating.

This last week I focused on Python learning and statistics. I read several chapters from one book and now have decided to use a different book instead. Regarding Python work, I watched several hours of content (plus researching and practising) from pluralsight during their free weekend offer.

I looked around for other jobs, but I have not identified any for which I can or wish to apply. I have not heard back from any other companies where I have active applications. On a personal level, I feel I have been extremely productive for the last 3 weeks, doing about 3-5 hours of productive work every day with the exception of two days.
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Not a lot happened this week. I have still been trying to book an interview with the civil service - slots were only available once last Friday for 2 hours or less (i.e. by the time I had checked the portal after receiving a message that slots were available, they had all gone). I have been checking regularly since but no slots have become available. Extremely frustrating.

This last week I focused on Python learning and statistics. I read several chapters from one book and now have decided to use a different book instead. Regarding Python work, I watched several hours of content (plus researching and practising) from pluralsight during their free weekend offer.

I looked around for other jobs, but I have not identified any for which I can or wish to apply. I have not heard back from any other companies where I have active applications. On a personal level, I feel I have been extremely productive for the last 3 weeks, doing about 3-5 hours of productive work every day with the exception of two days.
I saw a earlier post saying you were rejected from the civil service, sorry if you explained it already i have missed a few posts
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I saw a earlier post saying you were rejected from the civil service, sorry if you explained it already i have missed a few posts
It is for civil service stats 2021. I got rejected from civil service fast stream in 2020 and in 2019 I got rejected from civil service stats.

I don't think I will apply for BA. As well as I thought my interview went with them, I just didn't get a good vibe. They were not interested in learning about the statistics I had used so I am not sure how I would score higher. Here is what they wrote as my feedback for my one "area of weakness":

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Specialist/Technical Knowledge 2
At the assessment centre, we would have liked to have seen stronger evidence of your specialist knowledge. Having a clearer picture of your understanding of the issues presented would have helped, alongside more detail on your approach to reviewing the information you had. We would also have liked to have seen more detail in your analysis, so we could better understand your thinking and logic when considering alternatives for dealing with the challenges faced. Having appropriate and jargon free information to share with the audience is important to us at BA, and we’d have liked to see more evidence of this.
The bold bit is a bit of a joke to be honest. I had a figure printed on paper with me which outlined my algorithm pictorially. I've shown this figure in my thesis and also to colleagues and they understood it. At the interview, my interviewers were not interested in looking at the image and I instead had to describe an algorithm verbally which is obviously more difficult. ********s tbh. They needed to look at the picture because it is an algorithm used for image analysis - so its incredibly difficult to describe in words without the picture but super easy to describe with the picture.

The rest of the comment is probably about the exercise. I thought I did okay in it. They mention "understanding of the issues" but I remember citing the CEO and what he said the challenges were in response to some questions. So I don't really know precisely what they mean there. I guess they wanted deeper analysis, but with an engineering background and not finance/econmics/maths, I am not sure what I would be expected to know there. Oh well.

I also remember speaking to the grads. One girl said she had joined with no programming experience whatsoever. So it left me wondering what sort of deep analysis she had done during her degree where she wasn't required to do any programming - I guess spreadsheet work? It left me feeling that they focus on people who know how to do the analysis that they already use and have used them for their own projects. I felt that anyone like me with the capability to learn it is perhaps second to those people.

All in all, I got a bad vibe from them. I had a much better interview experience with Avanti West Coast who arranged a time to call me and gave me personal feedback for each question I answered during my face to face interview. This has helped me a lot more than any of my experience with BA.
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It is for civil service stats 2021. I got rejected from civil service fast stream in 2020 and in 2019 I got rejected from civil service stats.

I don't think I will apply for BA. As well as I thought my interview went with them, I just didn't get a good vibe. They were not interested in learning about the statistics I had used so I am not sure how I would score higher. Here is what they wrote as my feedback for my one "area of weakness":



The bold bit is a bit of a joke to be honest. I had a figure printed on paper with me which outlined my algorithm pictorially. I've shown this figure in my thesis and also to colleagues and they understood it. At the interview, my interviewers were not interested in looking at the image and I instead had to describe an algorithm verbally which is obviously more difficult. ********s tbh. They needed to look at the picture because it is an algorithm used for image analysis - so its incredibly difficult to describe in words without the picture but super easy to describe with the picture.

The rest of the comment is probably about the exercise. I thought I did okay in it. They mention "understanding of the issues" but I remember citing the CEO and what he said the challenges were in response to some questions. So I don't really know precisely what they mean there. I guess they wanted deeper analysis, but with an engineering background and not finance/econmics/maths, I am not sure what I would be expected to know there. Oh well.

I also remember speaking to the grads. One girl said she had joined with no programming experience whatsoever. So it left me wondering what sort of deep analysis she had done during her degree where she wasn't required to do any programming - I guess spreadsheet work? It left me feeling that they focus on people who know how to do the analysis that they already use and have used them for their own projects. I felt that anyone like me with the capability to learn it is perhaps second to those people.

All in all, I got a bad vibe from them. I had a much better interview experience with Avanti West Coast who arranged a time to call me and gave me personal feedback for each question I answered during my face to face interview. This has helped me a lot more than any of my experience with BA.
I applied to BA again, but I got a bad vibe last year and the year before, I know my chances of rejection will be high, I totally get that vibe you describe, and as for them hiring people with no programming experience makes me perplexed.
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So my interview for the stats role is this week. I haven't bothered job hunting for several weeks now - just tried to focus on learning basic statistics these last few weeks and also re-learning by previous analytical work. I did burn out a little this last week or so but I still remained somewhat productive. I also completed a video assessment for HS2 which by all accounts I thought went well but it has been over a week since I've last heard from them now. I haven't heard back from any other company.

Fingers crossed.
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So my interview for the stats role is this week. I haven't bothered job hunting for several weeks now - just tried to focus on learning basic statistics these last few weeks and also re-learning by previous analytical work. I did burn out a little this last week or so but I still remained somewhat productive. I also completed a video assessment for HS2 which by all accounts I thought went well but it has been over a week since I've last heard from them now. I haven't heard back from any other company.

Fingers crossed.
I think I am burning myself out too, I don't even want to do any more online tests!
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I applied to BA again, but I got a bad vibe last year and the year before, I know my chances of rejection will be high, I totally get that vibe you describe, and as for them hiring people with no programming experience makes me perplexed.
What you need programming experience even if your role is not relevant to it? Or is this specific to one role you're talking about?
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What you need programming experience even if your role is not relevant to it? Or is this specific to one role you're talking about?
Its specific to the data science role
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I didn't get the job. I felt I answered the questions well but the feedback I got was misleading and some it lied as well, just outright lied. One of the things they were looking for was "leadership" and their feedback for that section was low - they focused solely on my answer to one question "describe a time you had to influence someone" rather than all my other answers to other questions. I thought that answer was fine for the question being asked - if they wanted a more specific leadership question they should have asked - I don't "second guess" what interviewers are supposed to be looking for - I try to answer the question and match the values of the company/organisation instead in all my answers if possible.

So what the civil service do is ask six questions with the intent on simply measuring six key traits for each one and ignoring all other traits. They may ask follow up questions for each one but still measuring the same trait. In other words, their only test for leadership was purely based on how I answered that one question, even though there were other questions during the interview such as "how would you engage with team members" which I answered extremely well and are obviously related to leadership as well. They seemed to ignore that answer and several other answers I gave completely.

All in all a bit of a joke. The lady interviewing me looked disinterested from the start as well. All in all, just a total waste of my time. I spent four to six weeks stopping all job applications and reading about statistics (which did help for some of the technical questions at least) only to fail more on the behavioural ones :/.

Anyway I am back to job hunting, I've had no response from the other companies. I am getting worried about HS2 now. I thought I did well for the video assessment but still no reply :/. I had a look for other jobs over the weekend - there isn't much. I also completed more of my python project - spending 8 hours working on it overnight . Can't wait to finish it.
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admiring your strength to keep motivated after that rejection and keeping up. I would have had a week break


I have an ac for Kerry so I am taking ashganda to reduce nerves and anxiety. also be using a product called gorilla mind smooth for Lazer focus and concentration
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Okay, so I just completed an application for Concentra Analytics. Feels good to have submitted an application after so long.

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admiring your strength to keep motivated after that rejection and keeping up. I would have had a week break


I have an ac for Kerry so I am taking ashganda to reduce nerves and anxiety. also be using a product called gorilla mind smooth for Lazer focus and concentration
Thanks for the support. Yeah, whatever means to feel relaxed will help a lot. Good luck, let us know how it goes.
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I didn't get the job. I felt I answered the questions well but the feedback I got was misleading and some it lied as well, just outright lied. One of the things they were looking for was "leadership" and their feedback for that section was low - they focused solely on my answer to one question "describe a time you had to influence someone" rather than all my other answers to other questions. I thought that answer was fine for the question being asked - if they wanted a more specific leadership question they should have asked - I don't "second guess" what interviewers are supposed to be looking for - I try to answer the question and match the values of the company/organisation instead in all my answers if possible.

So what the civil service do is ask six questions with the intent on simply measuring six key traits for each one and ignoring all other traits. They may ask follow up questions for each one but still measuring the same trait. In other words, their only test for leadership was purely based on how I answered that one question, even though there were other questions during the interview such as "how would you engage with team members" which I answered extremely well and are obviously related to leadership as well. They seemed to ignore that answer and several other answers I gave completely.

All in all a bit of a joke. The lady interviewing me looked disinterested from the start as well. All in all, just a total waste of my time. I spent four to six weeks stopping all job applications and reading about statistics (which did help for some of the technical questions at least) only to fail more on the behavioural ones :/.

Anyway I am back to job hunting, I've had no response from the other companies. I am getting worried about HS2 now. I thought I did well for the video assessment but still no reply :/. I had a look for other jobs over the weekend - there isn't much. I also completed more of my python project - spending 8 hours working on it overnight . Can't wait to finish it.
Im getting worried too, just got rejected from centrica and thats after I nudged them about my application, i think they were not even ganna get back to me, this year with job applications has damaged my confidence, I hope its more to do with the pandemic rather than me not being employable. Im down to just three graduate schemes, In the mean time I aim to get some professional qualifications in the finance and accounting field, but i totally get these recruiter's /interviewers just simply dont give a ****. Have you heard from natwest or openreach?
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I am now applying for a lab assistant role now. I also spent several hours debugging one aspect of my Python code - a sly multiple reference problem . No further updates unfortunately.

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Im getting worried too, just got rejected from centrica and thats after I nudged them about my application, i think they were not even ganna get back to me, this year with job applications has damaged my confidence, I hope its more to do with the pandemic rather than me not being employable. Im down to just three graduate schemes, In the mean time I aim to get some professional qualifications in the finance and accounting field, but i totally get these recruiter's /interviewers just simply dont give a ****. Have you heard from natwest or openreach?
No I haven't. I always update the thread when I get new news.

I suggest to prepare better for recorded video assessments (with no other human involved) by watching videos of talks given by these large companies at conferences/events/universities. For the major companies, you can often find some on Youtube - just search for them and filter the results to look for videos greater than 20 minutes. Watch about 2-3 videos and make notes. It does help for doing the assessment because it gives you a better feel for the company - more than what you would have just reading a website. I've started doing that recently. It may make companies more willing to give you AC's.

Don't worry about feeling low. It happens to everyone. Have a side project to e.g. some programming with Python. You can do it on a raspberry pi or a workstation, it doesn't matter - just something to keep you mind off things and something that you can upload to GitHub when you are complete. Or take a week or two off and watch some films, go for walks, do some drawing or cooking (learn to cook something different). Anything to keep your mind off things.

Use LinkedIn to search for jobs and then apply for those jobs on the company websites. I think Arcadis are still open but be aware they use a game assessment and I have no idea how to pass it.
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I applied for the lab assistant role last night and got rejected for it today :rolleyes:. I also applied for a TfL analyst graduate role - I wrote what I felt was a good cover letter for that role and I have a situational test to complete. I also received a rejection from Cisco after about 8 weeks. No real surprise there, it was always a shot in the dark.

I've removed Apple from my active applications because they haven't got back to me in months - same with Arm.

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ACTIVE APPLICATIONS
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Video assessment (VA) completed:
Natwest (Passed VA)
BT (Passed VA)
BAE
HS2

Test passed:
KPMG

Tests completed:
Accenture

Tests to do:
TfL

Application submitted:
Concentra Analytics

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What role did u apply to kpmg for? I applied for there financial modelling role in London
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I applied for a company called Phastar and also completed by situational test for TfL. I don't think I did particularly well on the situational test - I found one or two questions actually quite tough. In better news I've secured an interview with HS2. So I will be preparing in the next few weeks for that interview.

Regarding my Python project I reckon I am about 2/3rds of the way through it now. I needed to refactor some code because some logic was missing. I have also streamlined several processes to remove repetition in the code and finally fixed some small nuisances in some of the classes.

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ACTIVE APPLICATIONS
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Interview to complete:
HS2
Video assessment (VA) completed:
Natwest (Passed VA)
BT (Passed VA)
BAE
Test(s) passed:
KPMG
Test(s) completed:
Accenture
TfL
Application submitted:
Concentra Analytics
Phastar
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What role did u apply to kpmg for? I applied for there financial modelling role in London
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I wanted to provide a list of all the job applications I have made to date and where I reached.


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NON-ACTIVE APPLICATIONS
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Failed at interview/AC:
British Airways
NPL x2
Base 4
EY
AECOM
Mercedes F1
Avanti West Coast
Civil Service Stats 2
Passed Video assessment(?) failed next test:
Barclays
Failed at Video assessment:
GSK
Openreach
NHS Digital
Capgemini
HSBC
Test passed by failed to make next stage:
Civil Service Stats 1
Mott MacDonald 1a
Mott MacDonald 1b
Mott MacDonald 2
MBDA
FCA
Passed test but scheme closed:
Arup 1
Did test but scheme closed:
Nationwide
Failed at testing Stage:
PwC (failed SJT)
Shell
Arcadis 1 (failed game test)
Arcadis 2 (failed game test)
WSP (failed game test)
P&G (failed SJT)
Stroud (failed general test)
UBS
Softwire (Did all coding questions)
Equinor
Civil Service Fast Stream (failed SJT)
BNP Paribas
Arup 2 (failed SJT)
Morgan Stanley (missed deadline)
Application rejected:
Expedia
Tandem Bank
BAE Systems 1
TTP
Energy Aspects
Datatonics
Blenheim Chalcot
Cisco 1
Cisco 2
OneWeb
MathWorks
Ryanair (LinkedIn)
ARA
Vattenfall
Tesco
PA Consulting
Airbus
Imperial College Lab Assistant
Freeminds (LinkedIn)
Owlstone Medical
Worley Parsons
Bechtel
Application submitted - no response:
Exponent
Kantar
Jeremy Gardner
Red Bull Racing
BRE
TipTop 1 (Agency)
TipTop 2 (Agency)
Arriva
ECM (Agency)
Monarch (Agency)
Atelier
Arm
Apple
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Hi there, Ole!

I hope that you are keeping well and staying safe during these strange times.

I came across your road to Job Hunting as I am too a final year graduate at University, searching for / applying for jobs. (I have created my own 'blog' of sorts too - to motivate me to apply and complete assignments, etc!)

I can see that you are clearly putting a lot of effort into your job applications, and it shows with the amount that you have applied to already!

How do you manage to stay motivated whilst applying? I hope that you manage to find a fantastic role for yourself soon - I will be watching this thread!

I am sure that you will hear back from the application centres soon! Different recruitment styles / companies all have different approaches!

Kind Regards,

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Im getting worried too, just got rejected from centrica and thats after I nudged them about my application, i think they were not even ganna get back to me, this year with job applications has damaged my confidence, I hope its more to do with the pandemic rather than me not being employable. Im down to just three graduate schemes, In the mean time I aim to get some professional qualifications in the finance and accounting field, but i totally get these recruiter's /interviewers just simply dont give a ****. Have you heard from natwest or openreach?
Hi, Mad Maths!

I just want to say that please do not worry about securing a job! You still have three graduate schemes open for you, which is an amazing achievement in itself, especially during COVID 19!

Having professional qualifications is always a bonus! I am training as a Mental Health Counsellor (Volunteer) at the same time as my studies; it really is a rewarding role - I would definitely look into this! However, I find that if you can be confident, you can secure any position that you wish to (within reason, of course!)

Please do let me know how your job search goes!

Kind Regards,

Freddie_Mercury. (Freddie Mercury Fan)
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