Why do medical doctors do a PHD/masters later on in their career?

OP

Since PhDs are not taught courses I would imagine that there is 0 lectures to attend or does it depend on what PhD u are doing

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Lewis T K

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Original post by wyann LT

Since PhDs are not taught courses I would imagine that there is 0 lectures to attend or does it depend on what PhD u are doing

PhDs are research projects. It’s very unlikely you will have lectures (apart from maybe from your supervisor explains something), you don’t have course work, and you only have one exam called the viva. You may be asked as a PhD student to give lectures based on your project or present you up to date findings to an audience or team. It’s very different from taught courses as you have full control of your learning and project, hence why it’s best to have done a research postgrad prior to starting a PhD

You can also have industry sponsored PhD projects where you work for a company while also doing a part-time PhD, but the same principles apply

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Original post by wyann LT

Since PhDs are not taught courses I would imagine that there is 0 lectures to attend or does it depend on what PhD u are doing

In America PhDs often do have a taught component, but that's because american degrees are broader and less well suited for research. Its not normal in the UK.

You'd be a lot more likely to be giving lectures, than receiving them. Because as I repeatedly say and you repeatedly ignore, a PhD is more of an entry level research job, than part of education.

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Lewis T K

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Original post by nexttime

In America PhDs often do have a taught component, but that's because american degrees are broader and less well suited for research. Its not normal in the UK.

You'd be a lot more likely to be giving lectures, than receiving them. Because as I repeatedly say and you repeatedly ignore, a PhD is more of an entry level research job, than part of education.

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Chief Wiggum

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Original post by wyann LT

Are surgeons titled mr or dr if they also have a phd?

There isn't exactly an "official policy", but essentially all surgeons with a PhD would be referred to as Mr/Miss. Unless they were a Professor, in which case they'd probably use that.

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OP

When you apply to foundation programme ik that u apply to different regions of the uk e.g north london but when u apply for specialty/run through training do I have to apply again to regions across the uk or can I stay in north london?
What is the point of the foundation programme/ is it to experience different specialties before you specialise?

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Original post by wyann LT

When you apply to foundation programme ik that u apply to different regions of the uk e.g north london but when u apply for specialty/run through training do I have to apply again to regions across the uk or can I stay in north london?
What is the point of the foundation programme/ is it to experience different specialties before you specialise?

You apply to regions again. You are not more likely to get into say North London if you were there for FY.

Its a reasonable question re: the point of FY. Most countries do not have an equivalent/as extensive an equivalent, and a skeptical person might argue its so that you can sort out the menial work in the hospital in place of a more senior doctor. The point is supposed to be though: basically an extended internship to give you a broad base of knowledge that will be useful in your future career (as surgical cases end up on medical wards from time to time) and give you those non-technical skills - communication, organisation, working with nurses and other MDT members, basic procedural skills, etc. Actually you will take on a lot more responsibility than say an american intern though, particularly in FY2. It also gives people a chance to see if what they thought they wanted to do, is actually what they want to do by experiencing it. But again, a skeptic could argue there are massive flaws with all of that.

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OP

Original post by nexttime

You apply to regions again. You are not more likely to get into say North London if you were there for FY.

Its a reasonable question re: the point of FY. Most countries do not have an equivalent/as extensive an equivalent, and a skeptical person might argue its so that you can sort out the menial work in the hospital in place of a more senior doctor. The point is supposed to be though: basically an extended internship to give you a broad base of knowledge that will be useful in your future career (as surgical cases end up on medical wards from time to time) and give you those non-technical skills - communication, organisation, working with nurses and other MDT members, basic procedural skills, etc. Actually you will take on a lot more responsibility than say an american intern though, particularly in FY2. It also gives people a chance to see if what they thought they wanted to do, is actually what they want to do by experiencing it. But again, a skeptic could argue there are massive flaws with all of that.

Can you stay in the hospital you applied for in specialty training without having to move hospitals e.g if u want to settle in an area

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OP

If I wanted to be a neurosurgeon and do research in neuroscience as well, would I be correct in considering the academic foundation programme and go the academic route to be an academic neurosurgeon?

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Chief Wiggum

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Original post by wyann LT

Can you stay in the hospital you applied for in specialty training without having to move hospitals e.g if u want to settle in an area

Not really. You would be training in the region, and have to move around the hospitals in that region.

Although if you say you want to do neurosurgery, perhaps you have better chances of being placed in the same hospital for a longer time? Since not all hospitals will have neurosurgery, so the training will be concentrated in fewer centres.

Original post by wyann LT

If I wanted to be a neurosurgeon and do research in neuroscience as well, would I be correct in considering the academic foundation programme and go the academic route to be an academic neurosurgeon?

Yes, that would seem sensible. Although even if you were an NHS neurosurgeon rather than a university "academic neurosurgeon", you could still be involved in research when you're a consultant. But yeah, if you're research-keen, seems wise to apply for AFP and try the academic pathway.

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Original post by wyann LT

Can you stay in the hospital you applied for in specialty training without having to move hospitals e.g if u want to settle in an area

You almost always have to move your job around, as stated. You can do a long commute if you want to live in one place though. Sometimes very long.

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OP

Do you get paid more as a doctor in london but live outside of london or does this scheme only work if you live in london also?

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Original post by wyann LT

Do you get paid more as a doctor in london but live outside of london or does this scheme only work if you live in london also?

Its based on where your job is not where you live.

The supplement is small though - most likely you'd spend a lot more on the commute.

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OP

Do you get paid more if you are both a lecturer and a doctor as opposed to just a doctor?

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Chief Wiggum

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Original post by wyann LT

Do you get paid more if you are both a lecturer and a doctor as opposed to just a doctor?

In general, no.

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Original post by wyann LT

Do you get paid more if you are both a lecturer and a doctor as opposed to just a doctor?

No.

In fact, because you would likely be pretty busy with academic work, you'd likely have less opportunity for private work, so it might be a bit less on average.

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OP

Do you have to work at the university hospital for you to teach med students at that uni e.g Do I have to work at hospitals of Oxford uni in order to teach med students at Oxford med school (just an example)

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OP