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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has any tips for medical students (in clinical years), who are wanting to pursue a career in neurology? Is there anything you can do whilst in med school, that would look favourable for your application?
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Neurology or Neurosurgery?
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Neurology or Neurosurgery?
This is maybe going off on a tangent, but why is neurosurgery so wildly popular? Is it just on TSR, or in general? I'm a GEM 2022 hopeful so I don't know the ins and outs of specialties, and I'm just curious as to why everyone and their dog seems to want this one!
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This is maybe going off on a tangent, but why is neurosurgery so wildly popular? Is it just on TSR, or in general?
In general. It's just seen as glamourous, the ultimate specialty and the slang "it's not brain surgery" has popularised this to an extent.

Yet many people don't actually know the true working conditions and day-to-day jobs of a neurosurgeon / neurosurgical reg. If they had, they'd probably change their minds.

Hence the number of people actually interested in neurosurgery during med school / post-grad actually drastically drops. In 2020, there were 220 applicants for 26 ST1 Neurosurgery posts. This makes the comp ratio 8.26 to 1.

Considering that there were around 8000 FY2s, I'd say it's a very small proportion of doctors who actually seriously considered neurosurgery.

I'm a GEM 2022 hopeful so I don't know the ins and outs of specialties, and I'm just curious as to why everyone and their dog seems to want this one!
Agreed. I mean I run a work experience course for my med school; and do outreach and go to nearby schools to dissuade students from doing medicine (joking obvs). 6/10 students say they want to do neurosurgery , or some sort of surgery :lol:
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That makes sense. I feel like an anomaly, as surgery is the thing I'm least looking forward to about medicine (assuming I get a place). Hopefully I'll get more confident, but right now it looks like a very high stakes version of my primary school's Food and Textiles class, where I was in permanent trouble for cutting things up wrong/stitching the wrong thing to other wrong things in the wrong way...
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Originally I was considering becoming a neuropsychologist but now after some research I'm quite interested in neurology. But I realise this involves med school which is something I've never considered before and I don't think I have the right A level for, (I do Bio, Maths and Psychology).
Which med schools are best for my situation? and is it worth considering?
Also is there much surgery involved?
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Originally I was considering becoming a neuropsychologist but now after some research I'm quite interested in neurology. But I realise this involves med school which is something I've never considered before and I don't think I have the right A level for, (I do Bio, Maths and Psychology).
Read https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5611422 for the list.

...Also is there much surgery involved?
No. But there is an option to do interventional procedures if that's what you want to do.

:ta: Mesopotamian. sorry PRSOM!
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Read https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5611422 for the list.



No. But there is an option to do interventional procedures if that's what you want to do.

:ta: Mesopotamian. sorry PRSOM!
Thank you that helped me out a lot , also I'm a little confused on how med school works is it just the same for everybody and you specialise after or does this happen during your time at med school. In other words how do you get into neurology?
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Thank you that helped me out a lot , also I'm a little confused on how med school works is it just the same for everybody and you specialise after or does this happen during your time at med school. In other words how do you get into neurology?
Ah, this thread is made for you: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6026828

Basically you are a totipotent stem cell after graduation, free to do whatever you want (that status remains even for FY1 and FY2). As you choose your specialty you become pluripotent, and eventually no longer a stem cell as your career is sort of "set in stone".

So if we are not talking in euphemisms, all med grads have to do FY1 and FY2; then they apply to core / specialty training after that (you don't have to, some people take gap years to help them decide). If you wanted to do neurology then you have to do 3 years of Internal Medicine Training, and then 4 years' of Neurology Specialty Training.

Obviously even as a consultant you can still retrain in another specialty.
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Ah, this thread is made for you: https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=6026828

Basically you are a totipotent stem cell after graduation, free to do whatever you want (that status remains even for FY1 and FY2). As you choose your specialty you become pluripotent, and eventually no longer a stem cell as your career is sort of "set in stone".

So if we are not talking in euphemisms, all med grads have to do FY1 and FY2; then they apply to core / specialty training after that (you don't have to, some people take gap years to help them decide). If you wanted to do neurology then you have to do 3 years of Internal Medicine Training, and then 4 years' of Neurology Specialty Training.

Obviously even as a consultant you can still retrain in another specialty.
Ahhh so if I am correct including med school it takes around 14 years. would you personally say its worth it? just wondering if its annoying to cover all aspects of medicine when really you just want to cover neurology. And are there any other possible ways of going into neurology like a degree or doctorate or something. Again thanks for your help
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Ahhh so if I am correct including med school it takes around 14 years.
Assuming no gap years / exam failures, and you get into neurology first time round!

would you personally say its worth it?
Haha I'd be biased and say yes! :lol:

just wondering if its annoying to cover all aspects of medicine when really you just want to cover neurology.
Neurology has huge connections to the rest of medicine though. I am dealing with someone with a headache at the moment and they have suspected temporal arteritis (which is managed mainly by the rheumatologists) - we have to recognise this.

Neurology is a significant part of internal medicine and all neurologists must have a good knowledge in the basics of internal medicine. Hence passing the MRCP exam is a requirement to enter ST3 Neurology training.

And are there any other possible ways of going into neurology like a degree or doctorate or something. Again thanks for your help
No, you can only become a neurologist through studying medicine and specialising.

Neurology is a clinical specialty.
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Assuming no gap years / exam failures, and you get into neurology first time round!



Haha I'd be biased and say yes! :lol:



Neurology has huge connections to the rest of medicine though. I am dealing with someone with a headache at the moment and they have suspected temporal arteritis (which is managed mainly by the rheumatologists) - we have to recognise this.

Neurology is a significant part of internal medicine and all neurologists must have a good knowledge in the basics of internal medicine. Hence passing the MRCP exam is a requirement to enter ST3 Neurology training.



No, you can only become a neurologist through studying medicine and specialising.

Neurology is a clinical specialty.
Thanks so much !
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