11 Republican senators will refuse to certify Joe Biden&#x27;s victory

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Original post by londonmyst

How very.... obliging of the toxic Mr. Cruz to selflessly wave goodbye to what remnant of republican support and political capital he hasn't already alienated to the point of no return. :cool:

I know dozens of proud maga Trump supporting american voters and a fundamentalist church congregation brimming with Pence adoring conspiracy theorist americans.
Don't know a single american admirer of Ted Cruz.
Nor even a fanatical republican who would consider lending him their vote as a tactical measure to keep the socialists/communists/ feminists out of power.

The Republican party are a disgrace.

Only a handful in the parry have actually called out this attempted coup.

Either they believe that the election was stolen, in which case they are nutters, or they don't believe it but are too scared to call Trump out, in which case they are cowards.

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Original post by londonmyst

Don't know a single american admirer of Ted Cruz.

Well it's just a bad Tom Cruise parody at the end of the day, I'm not a big fan of Borat either..

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Original post by DSilva

The Republican party are a disgrace.

Only a handful in the parry have actually called out this attempted coup.

Either they believe that the election was stolen, in which case they are nutters, or they don't believe it but are too scared to call Trump out, in which case they are cowards.

The democrats are hardly any better. An organisation which is committing violence night after night is just ‘an idea’ according to their head honcho. Thank **** republicans haven’t been burning down cities in retaliation.

And again, like @Napp has already pointed out, to call this a coup is a bit far fetched.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

And again, like @Napp has already pointed out, to call this a coup is a bit far fetched.

I don't see how it's far fetched at all.

Biden won the election fairly, Trump and his Republicans are trying to overturn the result and keep Trump as president. Trump was pressuring the Georgian secretary of state to "find an extra 11,800 votes".

Admittedly it's a laughable and pathetic attempt at a coup, but it's an attempt at one nonetheless.

What else do you call an attempt to overturn an election and instate the loser in power?

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Original post by Napp

Ted Cruz boldly sticking up for Trump with his ugly wife in tow no doubt :rolleyes:

As far as bending over for their lordship go this is quite impressive. Although i wouldnt exactly call it a coup nor even an attempted one. Disgraceful and undemocratic, sure but hardly worthy of the moniker 'coup'.

Ted Cruz is obviously eying up a bid for president and has rebranded himself as an angry Trumper.

If the leader of a third world banana Republic lost an election but refused to concede and transfer power, we'd call it a coup.

Admittedly the Republicans attempts are laughable and pathetic and doomed to fail, but their intentions are much the same. To stop the winner of the election being certified as president and to reinstate the loser.

A pathetic attempted coup is still an attempted coup.

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Original post by DSilva

I don't see how it's far fetched at all.

Biden won the election fairly, Trump and his Republicans are trying to overturn the result and keep Trump as president. Trump was pressuring the Georgian secretary of state to "find an extra 11,800 votes".

Admittedly it's a laughable and pathetic attempt at a coup, but it's an attempt at one nonetheless.

What else do you call an attempt to overturn an election and instate the loser in power?

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The definition of a coup is the sudden, violent and illegal seizure of power of an existing government.

This is none of that.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

The definition of a coup is the sudden, violent and illegal seizure of power of an existing government.

This is none of that.

Well it would be a sudden and illegal seizure of power. Given Biden won the election.

The fact their attempt is pathetic, laughable and doomed to fail doesn't mean it's not an attempt.

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Original post by DSilva

Well it would be a sudden and illegal seizure of power. Given Biden won the election.

The fact their attempt is pathetic, laughable and doomed to fail doesn't mean it's not an attempt.

Missing a key word there pal, existing, which Biden’s government is currently not.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

Missing a key word there pal, existing, which Biden’s government is currently not.

True but in practice it hardly makes a difference whether they are attempting to illegaly stay in power or illegaly usurp an existing government.

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Original post by DSilva

Ted Cruz is obviously eying up a bid for president and has rebranded himself as an angry Trumper.

If the leader of a third world banana Republic lost an election but refused to concede and transfer power, we'd call it a coup.

Admittedly the Republicans attempts are laughable and pathetic and doomed to fail, but their intentions are much the same. To stop the winner of the election being certified as president and to reinstate the loser.

A pathetic attempted coup is still an attempted coup.

Ted Cruz is, to use his sides parlance, a cuck. I cant see him being able to win a nomination let alone the white house.

No we wouldnt, we'd call it instigating a dictatorship or some such. A coup is a fairly specific political event where one side grabs power, usually violently, it's hard for the person in power to stage a coup on themselves. Think of it like when people call a mass shooter a terrorist at face value it might seem that way but in reality its a very specific term for a specific action. The same applies here really. By no means is what Trump doing democratic or within the bounds of precedent but i wouldnt go as far as to call it a coup, or an attempted one, if we're using the conventional definition of it.

What he's doing is outrageous and undemocratic but it isnt really a coup by any traditional sense of the word. As you noted though it is risible in how pathetic it is with much of Africa, Central Asia and Asia proper laughing hysterically at the lackluster efforts Trump is using compared to what they have otherwise perfected.

On the last bit though, the highlighted, whilst Trumps aims are relatively clear im more dubious of the GOP members. I doubt they're particularly enthused with trying to overthrow their cherished democracy and whilst many of them are educationally subnormal theyre not quite thick enough to think that Trump screaming is going to work in ousting democracy, such as it is, in America. I would personally put their motivations down to much more focused and local considerations. Many of them won their seats or saw increases in their vote share for them brown nosing the tangerine. To be seen to be supporting him to the last, whilst pathetic to everyone else, plays well with their own domestic voters. After all, whilst Trump is gone they have more elections to fight and they dont want to lose the base Trump has built for them. In a manner of speaking its quite beautiful in the naked show of ambition and realpolitik but thats about it imho on the matter.

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Original post by DSilva

True but in practice it hardly makes a difference whether they are attempting to illegaly stay in power or illegaly usurp an existing government.

Well it does though, because that isn’t the definition of a coup. In any case, this seems doomed to fail anyway. The democrats control the house, and you would be relying on every single Republican to follow the lead, which they blatantly won’t. While unfortunate, it isn’t a coup, simply political posturing.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

Well it does though, because that isn’t the definition of a coup. In any case, this seems doomed to fail anyway. The democrats control the house, and you would be relying on every single Republican to follow the lead, which they blatantly won’t. While unfortunate, it isn’t a coup, simply political posturing.

Oh I agree it's political posturing. Republicans are desperate to keep Trump's base on board and so are endulging this absurd anti Democratic fantasy.

In some ways that makes them worse than those who genuinely believe in the electoral fraud nonsense.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

The definition of a coup is the sudden, violent and illegal seizure of power of an existing government.

This is none of that.

A pathetic, shambling coup is still a coup.

aamoi, what would you call the gradual, illegal seizure of power of a legitimate government?

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Original post by imlikeahermit

The democrats are hardly any better. An organisation which is committing violence night after night is just ‘an idea’ according to their head honcho. Thank **** republicans haven’t been burning down cities in retaliation.

And again, like @Napp has already pointed out, to call this a coup is a bit far fetched.

Considerable numbers of Democrat politicians are not attempting to overturn the result of a legitimate and fair election, so no, they are not just as bad.

And so what if Biden claims that the violence is not being orchestrated by a discrete, identifiable organisation with official political affiliation. He still condemns it. And his claim is entirely reasonable.
Responding to Trump attempting to overturn the election with "But Antifa" is just baffling.

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Original post by imlikeahermit

Missing a key word there pal, existing, which Biden’s government is currently not.

That is adding a new level to the definition of "equivocation".
Biden won the election. In a few days he will be inaugurated as president.
If the army rolled into DC tomorrow and announced that Trump will be inaugurated on the 20th, it would be a coup, pure and simple.

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