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Private schools make an unfair education system?
if private and grammer schools didn't exist and everyone sent their children to local schools, would we have a better/fairer education system? how much do private school educated people have an advantage?
(in my area for instance, there is a grammer school and an awful comprehensive. If you don't get into the grammer school and can't afford private education then you are pretty screwed, as there is awful teaching, results and bullying at the comp and the results gap is massive.)
i know all schools are different ect and I'm not private school bashing, just interested in people's thoughts.
(in my area for instance, there is a grammer school and an awful comprehensive. If you don't get into the grammer school and can't afford private education then you are pretty screwed, as there is awful teaching, results and bullying at the comp and the results gap is massive.)
i know all schools are different ect and I'm not private school bashing, just interested in people's thoughts.
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I get what your saying, and to an extent i agree with you...
But the fact is, even if everybody went to a local state school, some schools would always be better other than others, so some students would be at an unfair advantage...
But the fact is, even if everybody went to a local state school, some schools would always be better other than others, so some students would be at an unfair advantage...
Roobagnall
I get what your saying, and to an extent i agree with you...
But the fact is, even if everybody went to a local state school, some schools would always be better other than others, so some students would be at an unfair advantage...
But the fact is, even if everybody went to a local state school, some schools would always be better other than others, so some students would be at an unfair advantage...
Not necessarily, if they bussed pupils about a bit. It would stop rich people being able to buy good houses in the right area and getting a better education as a result.
A school is only as good as the kids that go to it. How many people do you know who have changed their behaviour because of what school has done? The kids that pissed around in Year 7 were the still the kids that pissed around in Year 11.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
Grammar/Private schools are generally only better because the kids there want to learn.
We only had a few retards in our year when I was at school (went to a normal school) and the only lesson that I didn't learn in was RE but still managed a B, so, it all depends on the kids in the school.
Doubt it'd make it any fairer.
We only had a few retards in our year when I was at school (went to a normal school) and the only lesson that I didn't learn in was RE but still managed a B, so, it all depends on the kids in the school.
Doubt it'd make it any fairer.
Morbo
Then you disagree with the right of every parent to educate their child in the way they see fit.
But not every parent has a choice do they? Parents send there childern to private school to get the best education they can get, I understand that. I dont blame the parents, its just the society we live in. I get that.
We have a massively warped and unfair education system in this country, and I think one of the things we could do to solve the problem would be to abolish private schools, either directly, or by taxing them out of existence.
Morbo
A school is only as good as the kids that go to it. How many people do you know who have changed their behaviour because of what school has done? The kids that pissed around in Year 7 were the still the kids that pissed around in Year 11.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
That's not true. Being studious is completely different to being bright, I was told in year 7 that I wouldn't make it to year 9 without being expelled. I did piss about in class for most of my education, I just managed to get the best test results aswell. Only at the end of year 10 and eventually being converted by this 'gifted and talented' scheme did I realise that I'm actually pretty smart.
So don't be so egotistical, mixing with disruptive people isn't mixing with less intelligent people.
musicalimogen
if private and grammer schools didn't exist and everyone sent their children to local schools
.. then the current state education system wouldn't be able to cope with the influx of extra pupils. Even if all private schools were seized for use as state schools, the money to maintain them, staff them, equip them etc. would have to come from somewhere. Whether you think they're fair or not, private schools do relieve the state education system simply by removing a substantial number of pupils entitled to state education from it. Getting rid of private schools wouldn't benefit anyone.
Kelseyyy
But not every parent has a choice do they? Parents send there childern to private school to get the best education they can get, I understand that. I dont blame the parents, its just the society we live in. I get that.
OK. Well if you "get that", then you can't "disagree with private education", can you? It sounds more like you disagree with the way society is set up, in whcih case - join the club!
Morbo
A school is only as good as the kids that go to it. How many people do you know who have changed their behaviour because of what school has done? The kids that pissed around in Year 7 were the still the kids that pissed around in Year 11.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
Unfortunately, the quality of education that you receive depends very strongly on the quality of kids that you are with. And therein lies the dilemma. Do you:
- separate the kids by ability as much as possible to teach them at their own level - allowing brighter ones to do better and poorer ones to do the same?
- put all the kids together - the bright ones do worse, but the poorer ones might do slightly better.
Who knows. Personally, being a bright kid, I'd prefer not to be in the class with the guys that don't concentrate, aren't interested and disrupt the lesson.
Very vague and uninformed.
I would say my behaviour changed because of school (got worse as it was a bad public school), and I can name alot of people thats happened the same.
Morbo
OK. Well if you "get that", then you can't "disagree with private education", can you? It sounds more like you disagree with the way society is set up, in whcih case - join the club!
Yes I do disagree with the way society is set up. But I also disagree with the private education system. I know what I agree and disagree with thanks.
Kelseyyy
I disagree with the private education system, it doesnt make for equal opportunites in my opinion.
If I have enough money, and the desire to send my child to a school which is significantly better than a local state school, I will do so. If I have the opportunity, I will. Just because some hypothetical people don't have the opportunity, it doesn't mean I shouldn't take mine. I'll educate my kids however the hell I want
I agree with you, it's definitely unfair, but what can we do 
And everyone who's arguing, look at the countries doing the best in the world league tables: they all have a comprehensive system.
And everyone who's arguing, look at the countries doing the best in the world league tables: they all have a comprehensive system.
J-E-N-O-V-A
That's not true.
No, it is true. It really is what I'd prefer.
Being studious is completely different to being bright, I was told in year 7 that I wouldn't make it to year 9 without being expelled. I did piss about in class for most of my education, I just managed to get the best test results aswell.
So you've shown that bright kids can piss around and do well? This is possible.
So don't be so egotistical, mixing with disruptive people isn't mixing with less intelligent people.
I never said anything to this effect. I merely stated that I disliked having disruptive classmates.
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