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It's amusing to see somebody disputing Corbyn's extremist sympathies.
What's wrong with Corbyn? Seems like a perfectly reasonable guy, just misunderstood if anything.
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What's wrong with Corbyn? Seems like a perfectly reasonable guy, just misunderstood if anything.
He's a Republican, anti-Nato, pacifist, sympathetic to Russia, opposed to the union (i.e. does not even wish to preserve his own nation) and has numerous sympathies for terrorist groups, rogue states and anti-Semitic allies because his anti-west, anti-capitalist world view blinds him.

He is the one Labour leader bar perhaps Wilson who can credibly be considered a threat to our nation given the damage he could do. Hell, even Attlee would roll over in his grave at several of Corbyn's policies.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
He's a Republican, anti-Nato, pacifist, sympathetic to Russia, opposed to the union (i.e. does not even wish to preserve his own nation) and has numerous sympathies for terrorist groups, rogue states and anti-Semitic allies because his anti-west, anti-capitalist world view blinds him.

He is the one Labour leader bar perhaps Wilson who can credibly be considered a threat to our nation given the damage he could do. Hell, even Attlee would roll over in his grave at several of Corbyn's policies.
Republic Republic Republic!!!

Rome was founded as a Republic.
I don't see the problem here..
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(Original post by Rakas21)
He's a Republican, anti-Nato, pacifist, sympathetic to Russia, opposed to the union (i.e. does not even wish to preserve his own nation) and has numerous sympathies for terrorist groups, rogue states and anti-Semitic allies because his anti-west, anti-capitalist world view blinds him.

He is the one Labour leader bar perhaps Wilson who can credibly be considered a threat to our nation given the damage he could do. Hell, even Attlee would roll over in his grave at several of Corbyn's policies.
Well if he’s a pacifist pussy then screw that I ain’t supporting him.
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A lot of voting behaviour has become dependent on recent issues so in the last election the industrial north that’s usually Labour believed brexit was the bigger issue driving them to vote for conservatives.

Also the conservatives come across as better for the economy and as the people are becoming more middle class they would prefer lower taxes to social benefits.

Also it’s an appeal from leadership and as much as Corbyn was a good socialist he was too idealistic to be a leader and his campaign hence was not the best in comparison to the ‘get brexit done’. Moreover Labour gets most of their votes from the youth who most of the time don’t even vote
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(Original post by Rakas21)
It's amusing to see somebody disputing Corbyn's extremist sympathies.
You think "A United Ireland" and "Human Rights for occupied Palestine" are "extremist sympathies?
Crikey!
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(Original post by Linaaa256)
A lot of voting behaviour has become dependent on recent issues so in the last election the industrial north that’s usually Labour believed brexit was the bigger issue driving them to vote for conservatives.

Also the conservatives come across as better for the economy and as the people are becoming more middle class they would prefer lower taxes to social benefits.

Also it’s an appeal from leadership and as much as Corbyn was a good socialist he was too idealistic to be a leader and his campaign hence was not the best in comparison to the ‘get brexit done’. Moreover Labour gets most of their votes from the youth who most of the time don’t even vote
The irony being that Labour actually had working class interests at heart by campaigning to remain in the last general election.
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The irony being that Labour actually had working class interests at heart by campaigning to remain in the last general election.
The Dec 2019 GE? :confused:
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The Dec 2019 GE? :confused:
Yes. Remaining in the EU was definitely in working class interests.
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Yes. Remaining in the EU was definitely in working class interests.
That's debatable, it's also an old tired argeument and as I've proved the working classes interests are just a convenience to quote for you. When I point damage your believes will cause the working classes, you dismiss it, and justify it by victim blaming the working class as druggies, workshy, etc.

Yoyr wrong anyway, Labour's official policy was to leave the EU, from 2016 to 2019. In we come up with some crazy fench sitting policy which made little to no sense to eacher polarized camp but was hugely insulting to leave voters intelligence. Therefore Labour's voice was not clear on its direction on Brexit.
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That's debatable, it's also an old tired argeument and as I've proved the working classes interests are just a convenience to quote for you. When I point damage your believes will cause the working classes, you dismiss it, and justify it by victim blaming the working class as druggies, workshy, etc.

Yoyr wrong anyway, Labour's official policy was to leave the EU, from 2016 to 2019. In we come up with some crazy fench sitting policy which made little to no sense to eacher polarized camp but was hugely insulting to leave voters intelligence. Therefore Labour's voice was not clear on its direction on Brexit.
Apologies but once again I will not take lectures about caring about the working class from someone who voted to make them poorer via Brexit, but then also sold out his Labour socialist halfwit views, and voted for Boris in the last general election to get Brexit done.
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Apologies but once again I will not take lectures about caring about the working class from someone who voted to make them poorer via Brexit, but then also sold out his Labour socialist halfwit views, and voted for Boris in the last general election to get Brexit done.
As much as you may like your alternative reality to be reality it will never be. Facts remain facts;

1) I didn't vote leave to make the poor poorer.
2) beliving in democratic socialist views doesn't make the person a "halfwit"
3) Labour didn't support remain from 2016 to 2019.

As much as you like to insult people who's views you either, don't agree with, don't understand, find challenging to your perspective and/or whatever reason you take exception to them for..... it doesn't mean they are true, the public support for democratic socialist organisations and the benefits of them, like the NHS prove of this alone.
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That's debatable, it's also an old tired argeument and as I've proved the working classes interests are just a convenience to quote for you. When I point damage your believes will cause the working classes, you dismiss it, and justify it by victim blaming the working class as druggies, workshy, etc.

Yoyr wrong anyway, Labour's official policy was to leave the EU, from 2016 to 2019. In we come up with some crazy fench sitting policy which made little to no sense to eacher polarized camp but was hugely insulting to leave voters intelligence. Therefore Labour's voice was not clear on its direction on Brexit.
Good morning Mr Burton,

Are we still debating in regards to Brexit and why Socialists vote Tory?

Maybe because they are not really socialists? Or maybe because the middle age crisis has kicked in and it resulted in confusion.
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The irony being that Labour actually had working class interests at heart by campaigning to remain in the last general election.
Forgive me but Labour largely sat on the BrExit fence throughout the last 4-5 years. The despicable and unelectable Corbyn tried to play both sides of the fence, pandering to Leave and Remain alike (Corbyn has always been anti-EU of course). It didn't wash just as his outright lies to students the election before didn't wash. Labour supporters only have themselves to blame for the disastrous situation they now find themselves in. They should have ousted Corbyn years ago when he lost them the previous election in spectacular fashion, the one which I suspect to this day he still thinks he won !!! His militant Momentum rabble were also to blame. Their actions have been despicable.

BrExit focussed everything into one place and saw life-long hardened Labour supporters voting Tory to get BrExit done. Such a state had UK politics been dragged down to.

BrExit was not about making people richer or poorer. It was about protecting our long and hard fought for rights and freedoms which imo were under threat by the EU dictatorship. It took 4 years of thoroughly disgusting attempts by the Remainer establishment cronies to thwart BrExit before Boris finally made it happen. You could have had a much much softer BrExit had you simply respected democracy, respected the expressed will of the people and not sought to try and overturn, ignore or re-run the referendum for your own ends. Such actions were deplorable and the populace very rightly consigned Labour to irrelevance in UK politics and pretty much annihilated the feckless Lib Dems who stood against democracy.

The UK has had a very lucky escape from what I believe would have been a very totalitarian future in the EU. Corpus Juris, The Eurozone, redundancy of Westminster and our UK political parties and much more. The EU is now trying to punish us as much as possible presumably in the hope that they can, by attrition, convince the UK public to vote themselves back into the EU. Good luck with that.

Labour in the end failed miserably to make any clear stance on BrExit before it was too late. More fools them. But then they had an absolute crackpot leading them surrounded by a bunch of militant thugs so the result was totally inevitable.

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