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Moments and Couples

hi , any help appreciated
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For part a, resultant force of a couple iz zero, so F = i - 3j , so magnitude = root 10, and direction = -71.56 degrees. Not at all sure where to start with part b , guidance appreciated thanks
Reply 3
Original post by RLangdon569
For part a, resultant force of a couple iz zero, so F = i - 3j , so magnitude = root 10, and direction = -71.56 degrees. Not at all sure where to start with part b , guidance appreciated thanks

Take moments about O say. What is the moment due to the forces at A and B? So what is the opposing moment to ensure equilibrium?
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Original post by mqb2766
Take moments about O say. What is the moment due to the forces at A and B? So what is the opposing moment to ensure equilibrium?

So :
A : Perpendicular distance from O = Root 13. Magnitude of force at A = Root 5. Direction of force at A = 26.565 . Moment at A = Root 13 x Root 5 x Cos26.565.

Moment at A = 2 x 13^0.5 .

Do I just do the same for B ? And then the magnitude of the couple required to keep it equilibrium is the sum ? What do I then do about the direction ?
Original post by RLangdon569
So :
A : Perpendicular distance from O = Root 13. Magnitude of force at A = Root 5. Direction of force at A = 26.565 . Moment at A = Root 13 x Root 5 x Cos26.565.

Moment at A = 2 x 13^0.5 .

Do I just do the same for B ? And then the magnitude of the couple required to keep it equilibrium is the sum ? What do I then do about the direction ?


You seem to have chosen a most difficult route to obtaining the answer.

Yes, you'd need to do the same for B.

If you assume clockwise is positive, then add/subtract those two moments as appropriate to get the resulting moment. Then the required couple will be the negative of that result. Direction will be clockwise if positive, and anticlockwise if negative.

HOWEVER, it is far, far simpler, to:

Draw a diagram marking points and forces.
Again, assign one direction as postiive - clockwise or anticlockwise.

Split each force into its two components. The perpendicular distance of each component is just the absolute value of one of the coordinates of the point where it's acting - diagram helps here.
The whole working can be done in two lines!
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Reply 6
Original post by ghostwalker
You seem to have chosen a most difficult route to obtaining the answer.

Yes, you'd need to do the same for B.

If you assume clockwise is positive, then add/subtract those two moments as appropriate to get the resulting moment. Then the required couple will be the negative of that result. Direction will be clockwise if positive, and anticlockwise if negative.

HOWEVER, it is far, far simpler, to:

Draw a diagram marking points and forces.
Again, assign one direction as postiive - clockwise or anticlockwise.

Split each force into its two components. The perpendicular distance of each component is just the absolute value of one of the coordinates of the point where it's acting - diagram helps here.
The whole working can be done in two lines!

Two lines, wow. I am definitely overcomplicating it then haha. I am not entirely sure I understand your simpler method though, would you please be able to elaborate further. Thanks a lot
Original post by RLangdon569
Two lines, wow. I am definitely overcomplicating it then haha. I am not entirely sure I understand your simpler method though, would you please be able to elaborate further. Thanks a lot


It's using the fact that the moment of a force is the sum of the moments of its individual components.

So, for the forces at A, we treat the 2i and j forces separately. What's the moment of the 2i force? Well it's going clockwise about O, so it's positive. It's magnitude is 2, and the perpendicular distance of its line of action is 3, so it's moment is 3x2=6 (in whatever units you're given - if any).
Reply 8
Oh I see. stupid me haha . So we do 2 x 3 + 1 x 2 + -3 x 1 + 2 x 2 to get the total moment clockwise. So the magnitude and direction of the couple required to keep it in equilibrium is 9N anticlockwise ?
Original post by RLangdon569
Oh I see. stupid me haha . So we do 2 x 3 + 1 x 2 + -3 x 1 + 2 x 2 to get the total moment clockwise. So the magnitude and direction of the couple required to keep it in equilibrium is 9N anticlockwise ?


Close. Which direction is the j force acting at A? Clockwise or anticlockwise?

And the units for moments would be Nm if it were Newtons and metres, but certainly not just "N".
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Original post by ghostwalker
Close. Which direction is the j force acting at A? Clockwise or anticlockwise?

And the units for moments would be Nm if it were Newtons and metres, but certainly not just "N".

anti-clockwise. So 7Nm anticlockwise.
Original post by RLangdon569
anti-clockwise. So 7Nm anticlockwise.


Your powers of addition/subtraction seem to be failing you....
Ha, my mistake. 5Nm. I just automatically subtracted 2 not 4.
Original post by RLangdon569
Ha, my mistake. 5Nm. I just automatically subtracted 2 not 4.


Agreed - 5Nm anticlockwise is the required couple.

And not a square root or trig function in sight!
Original post by ghostwalker
Agreed - 5Nm anticlockwise is the required couple.

And not a square root or trig function in sight!

Thanks for your help !

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