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#41
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Removing your ability to reproduce is not natural. This is an artificial invention and goes against billions of years of evolution. It's far more likely someone is ill, deluded etc. if they think being castrated will help save the planet.
Removing your ability to reproduce is not natural. This is an artificial invention and goes against billions of years of evolution. It's far more likely someone is ill, deluded etc. if they think being castrated will help save the planet.
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#42
(Original post by DiddyDec)
Appealing to nature is a logical fallacy. You posting on a forum isn't "natural" but that doesn't mean to it wrong, modern medicine goes against billions of years of evolution but it is unlikely you would call that bad.
Appealing to nature is a logical fallacy. You posting on a forum isn't "natural" but that doesn't mean to it wrong, modern medicine goes against billions of years of evolution but it is unlikely you would call that bad.
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#43
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
I already know it's a fallacy. I'm gonna make another fallacy, i.e. appealing to emotion to justify the first one: because it just makes me feel better about my argument. I still think they're deluded if they think it helps save the planet.
I already know it's a fallacy. I'm gonna make another fallacy, i.e. appealing to emotion to justify the first one: because it just makes me feel better about my argument. I still think they're deluded if they think it helps save the planet.
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#44
(Original post by DiddyDec)
So your entire argument is completely without merit.
So your entire argument is completely without merit.
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#45
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Removing your ability to reproduce is not natural. This is an artificial invention and goes against billions of years of evolution. It's far more likely someone is ill, deluded etc. if they think being castrated will help save the planet.
Removing your ability to reproduce is not natural. This is an artificial invention and goes against billions of years of evolution. It's far more likely someone is ill, deluded etc. if they think being castrated will help save the planet.
That is natural behaviour.
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#46
(Original post by QE2)
Stop doing unnatural things, like posting on an internet forum, and go and hide under a bush until you are too hungry to continue hiding, and then kill something. And have sex once a year.
That is natural behaviour.
Stop doing unnatural things, like posting on an internet forum, and go and hide under a bush until you are too hungry to continue hiding, and then kill something. And have sex once a year.
That is natural behaviour.
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#47
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables. We are meat eaters above all else. We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact. This vegetables ******** is just a result of first world countries and first world problems seeking attention.
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables. We are meat eaters above all else. We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact. This vegetables ******** is just a result of first world countries and first world problems seeking attention.
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#48
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables.
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables.
Take the Irish, for example, between 1750 and 1840, Ireland experienced a tremendously rapid increase in population. The Irish population doubled twice in that period. Whereas in 1750 about 2.5 million people lived in Ireland, in 1791 this number had already increased to 4.4 million and reached 8.2 million in 1841.
What changed? The widespread cultivation of the potato.
We are meat eaters above all else.
Notwithstanding the fact that lions are capable of digesting raw flesh and organs, with parts of the hide, dirt and faeces without any issues, if we are "meat eaters above all else", why can't we do the same without potentially fatal consequences?
And if we are "meat eaters above all else", why are animal products the leading cause of mortality for humans in the Western world? Why do they promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers? Why would the food that is meant above all else for our species on this planet shorten our lives?
We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact.
And if you are an Inuit following this diet, you probably won't see 70 years of age. With 6000 years of evolution on a 10 month per year carnivore diet, the Inuit life expectancy in Canada stands between 64-67 years of age (they eat as many plants as they can during the summer months).
FYI: the life expectancy in the rest of Canada is approximately 80 years of age.
This vegetables ******** is just a result of first world countries and first world problems seeking attention.
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#49
(Original post by Stalin)
Why not? Many South American peoples, the French, Irish, Russians and Germans, as well as Papua New Guineans have all lived on potatoes or sweet potatoes alone at one time or another.
Take the Irish, for example, between 1750 and 1840, Ireland experienced a tremendously rapid increase in population. The Irish population doubled twice in that period. Whereas in 1750 about 2.5 million people lived in Ireland, in 1791 this number had already increased to 4.4 million and reached 8.2 million in 1841.
What changed? The widespread cultivation of the potato.
If we are "meat eaters above all else", why are our teeth and jaws so unsuited to tearing into other animals? Lions have very little difficulty eating animals much larger than themselves, such as wildebeests; however, with our bare hands and teeth, we would struggle to tear into and eat a dead chicken, pigeon or even a squirrel.
Notwithstanding the fact that lions are capable of digesting raw flesh and organs, with parts of the hide, dirt and faeces without any issues, if we are "meat eaters above all else", why can't we do the same without potentially fatal consequences?
And if we are "meat eaters above all else", why are animal products the leading cause of mortality for humans in the Western world? Why do they promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers? Why would the food that is meant above all else for our species on this planet shorten our lives?
Sure, however, if you are raised on a predominantly meat-based diet from birth you probably won't see 60 years of age (I'm presuming that you aren't an Inuit).
And if you are an Inuit following this diet, you probably won't see 70 years of age. With 6000 years of a 10 month per year carnivore diet, the Inuit life expectancy in Canada stands between 64-67 years of age (they eat as many plants as they can during the summer months).
FYI: the life expectancy in the rest of Canada is approximately 80 years of age.
As the only diet known to reverse cardiovascular diseases, as well as the diet with the lowest rates of obesity and mortality, perhaps there's something more to it than "first world attention seeking", no?
Why not? Many South American peoples, the French, Irish, Russians and Germans, as well as Papua New Guineans have all lived on potatoes or sweet potatoes alone at one time or another.
Take the Irish, for example, between 1750 and 1840, Ireland experienced a tremendously rapid increase in population. The Irish population doubled twice in that period. Whereas in 1750 about 2.5 million people lived in Ireland, in 1791 this number had already increased to 4.4 million and reached 8.2 million in 1841.
What changed? The widespread cultivation of the potato.
If we are "meat eaters above all else", why are our teeth and jaws so unsuited to tearing into other animals? Lions have very little difficulty eating animals much larger than themselves, such as wildebeests; however, with our bare hands and teeth, we would struggle to tear into and eat a dead chicken, pigeon or even a squirrel.
Notwithstanding the fact that lions are capable of digesting raw flesh and organs, with parts of the hide, dirt and faeces without any issues, if we are "meat eaters above all else", why can't we do the same without potentially fatal consequences?
And if we are "meat eaters above all else", why are animal products the leading cause of mortality for humans in the Western world? Why do they promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers? Why would the food that is meant above all else for our species on this planet shorten our lives?
Sure, however, if you are raised on a predominantly meat-based diet from birth you probably won't see 60 years of age (I'm presuming that you aren't an Inuit).
And if you are an Inuit following this diet, you probably won't see 70 years of age. With 6000 years of a 10 month per year carnivore diet, the Inuit life expectancy in Canada stands between 64-67 years of age (they eat as many plants as they can during the summer months).
FYI: the life expectancy in the rest of Canada is approximately 80 years of age.
As the only diet known to reverse cardiovascular diseases, as well as the diet with the lowest rates of obesity and mortality, perhaps there's something more to it than "first world attention seeking", no?
Life expectancy I got no concerns already technology and medicine is advancing to eventually halt the ageing process so this don't really matter long term anymore.
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#50
(Original post by SHallowvale)
False. Vegetarianism and veganism exist all over the world, not just in first world countries.
False. Vegetarianism and veganism exist all over the world, not just in first world countries.
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#51
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Poor countries don't have the luxury of choosing their diet, they typically eat what's available and affordable.
Poor countries don't have the luxury of choosing their diet, they typically eat what's available and affordable.
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#52
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
I like using the internet, and having a warm home, and not murdering ppl. I also think it's just utter delusion if castration = save the planet lol.
I like using the internet, and having a warm home, and not murdering ppl. I also think it's just utter delusion if castration = save the planet lol.
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#53
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Our teeth and jaws are suited to chewing food, not ripping raw meat to shreds and swallowing it... that's not how our bodies work so very flawed argument to compare us to other animals.
Our teeth and jaws are suited to chewing food, not ripping raw meat to shreds and swallowing it... that's not how our bodies work so very flawed argument to compare us to other animals.
Indeed, our teeth and jaws are designed to chew food, which is a herbivore characteristic, not a carnivore one. Herbivores chew, carnivores tear and swallow, while their stomach acid does the rest.
Given that we must prepare and cook most animal products, unlike carnivores, and given that these products promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers in humans and shorten our lifespan proves that it is detrimental to our health.
Therefore, why would you eat a diet that shortens your life and is detrimental to your health instead of a plant-based diet, which I will reiterate is the only diet known to reverse cardiovascular diseases, as well as the diet with the lowest rates of obesity and mortality?
Life expectancy I got no concerns already technology and medicine is advancing to eventually halt the ageing process so this don't really matter long term anymore.
To use your words, that's a "very flawed argument".
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#54
(Original post by SHallowvale)
So are all vegetarian Hindus in India poor, or something?
So are all vegetarian Hindus in India poor, or something?
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#55
(Original post by Stalin)
I'll assume that you're conceding the point that "humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables". Ok, with that one debunked let's carry on...
Indeed, our teeth and jaws are designed to chew food, which is a herbivore characteristic, not a carnivore one. Herbivores chew, carnivores tear and swallow, while their stomach acid does the rest.
Given that we must prepare and cook most animal products, unlike carnivores, and given that these products promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers in humans and shorten our lifespan proves that it is detrimental to our health.
Therefore, why would you eat a diet that shortens your life and is detrimental to your health instead of a plant-based diet, which I will reiterate is the only diet known to reverse cardiovascular diseases, as well as the diet with the lowest rates of obesity and mortality?
Requiring medicine and technology to extend your life expectancy due to your life-shortening diet which promotes atherosclerosis, heart attacks, strokes and cancers isn't a particularly convincing argument to support your claim that "we are meat eaters above all else".
To use your words, that's a "very flawed argument".
I'll assume that you're conceding the point that "humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables". Ok, with that one debunked let's carry on...
Indeed, our teeth and jaws are designed to chew food, which is a herbivore characteristic, not a carnivore one. Herbivores chew, carnivores tear and swallow, while their stomach acid does the rest.
Given that we must prepare and cook most animal products, unlike carnivores, and given that these products promote atherosclerosis, strokes and heart attacks, as well as many cancers in humans and shorten our lifespan proves that it is detrimental to our health.
Therefore, why would you eat a diet that shortens your life and is detrimental to your health instead of a plant-based diet, which I will reiterate is the only diet known to reverse cardiovascular diseases, as well as the diet with the lowest rates of obesity and mortality?
Requiring medicine and technology to extend your life expectancy due to your life-shortening diet which promotes atherosclerosis, heart attacks, strokes and cancers isn't a particularly convincing argument to support your claim that "we are meat eaters above all else".
To use your words, that's a "very flawed argument".
Our biology has developed where we typically gotta cook our food, including meat, to get the most out of it. Just how we are. With modern technologies we are able to cheat most of this.
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#56
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables. We are meat eaters above all else. We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact. This vegetables ******** is just a result of first world countries and first world problems seeking attention.
Humans aren't meant to survive on vegetables. We are meat eaters above all else. We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact. This vegetables ******** is just a result of first world countries and first world problems seeking attention.
We can survive on meat alone in our diet in fact.
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#57
(Original post by Captain Haddock)
For the vast majority of human existence meat has been a relatively rare luxury. The amount of meat we are able to consume today is utterly unnatural and only made possible through modern, industrial farming and distribution.
Last I checked, scurvy was fatal.
For the vast majority of human existence meat has been a relatively rare luxury. The amount of meat we are able to consume today is utterly unnatural and only made possible through modern, industrial farming and distribution.
Last I checked, scurvy was fatal.
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#58
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
You barely need any vitamin C in your diet if you only eat meat. Even then, just take supplements if you're scared, or eat different parts of the meat that have this and mix it up with other stuff.
You barely need any vitamin C in your diet if you only eat meat. Even then, just take supplements if you're scared, or eat different parts of the meat that have this and mix it up with other stuff.
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#59
(Original post by Captain Haddock)
Supplements. So natural.
Supplements. So natural.
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#60
(Original post by Final Fantasy)
Nothing natural about it really. They're artificial.
Nothing natural about it really. They're artificial.
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