Over 400,000 crime records could be affected by police computer error

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Given the NHS is still running XP you can see how **** ups like this happen. Gov contracts are lucrative because they are more than happy to spaff away public money since they don't have a bottom line to worry about.
From what I hear, it's a lot easier to get a government contract if you've got the relevant clearance - more so than skillset - i.e. SC or DV clearance is usually needed due to sensitive data you'd be working with. It looks like they build a system, it gets scrapped, someone else comes along to repeat. Now recently the government also decided to **** on the contractor community (IR35 I think it was) so it's probably all over the place atm. Yeah no one should be using XP or IE6/7 either, maybe used in some third world countries still, but it's just mental still being used here and doesn't help with staff sharing passwords all over the place. The whole password based system if flawed as will, we're heading more towards verifying identity with face/fingerprint and 2FA or just swiping a security key - passwords are a flaw only now recently being addressed.
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From what I hear, it's a lot easier to get a government contract if you've got the relevant clearance - more so than skillset - i.e. SC or DV clearance is usually needed due to sensitive data you'd be working with. It looks like they build a system, it gets scrapped, someone else comes along to repeat. Now recently the government also decided to **** on the contractor community (IR35 I think it was) so it's probably all over the place atm. Yeah no one should be using XP or IE6/7 either, maybe used in some third world countries still, but it's just mental still being used here and doesn't help with staff sharing passwords all over the place. The whole password based system if flawed as will, we're heading more towards verifying identity with face/fingerprint and 2FA or just swiping a security key - passwords are a flaw only now recently being addressed.
IR 35 came in 20 years ago, some say after HMG got pissed off over the Millennium (Y2K) bug that contractors cashed in ruthlessly.

IT infrastructure is horrendously expensive. The NHS has 1.3 milliion +employees. Simply replacing an operating system is not as simple as it sounds. The target platforms must be capable of supporting the new software. Application software and data must be migrated without loss never mind in-house bespoke software across scores of platforms, then data cleansing, mission critical testing, security testing, staff training, training the trainers, Help Desk support.........the list is endless.

The cost run's into the £10's billions and takes years of planning and contracts to achieve.

Makes rolling out a vaccine programme look like a walk in the park.
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IR 35 came in 20 years ago, some say after HMG got pissed off over the Millennium (Y2K) bug that contractors cashed in ruthlessly.

IT infrastructure is horrendously expensive. The NHS has 1.3 milliion +employees. Simply replacing an operating system is not as simple as it sounds. The target platforms must be capable of supporting the new software. Application software and data must be migrated without loss never mind in-house bespoke software across scores of platforms, then data cleansing, mission critical testing, security testing, staff training, training the trainers, Help Desk support.........the list is endless.

The cost run's into the £10's billions and takes years of planning and contracts to achieve.

Makes rolling out a vaccine programme look like a walk in the park.
It's insane how much the government spends vs how much private businesses make use of achieving the same results far more cost effective lol. I know a lot of contractors just do the SC/DV clearance contracts purely for the money.
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It's insane how much the government spends vs how much private businesses make use of achieving the same results far more cost effective lol. I know a lot of contractors just do the SC/DV clearance contracts purely for the money.
I know. It's not uncommon for a contractor to be paid £500 to £1000/day and for the Big Five consultancy partners to be charged out at £2,500 / day. During the planning through implementation phases, hundreds of contractors may be employed.

Then you have trying to convince 600+ Primary Care Trust CEO's to pay for it when they know they can do it locally for far less. Thus is when the whole system becomes fragmented because there is no national standards to which all must adhere and be held to account.

Worse, finance 'ring fenced' for IT is siphoned off to fund staff pay increases or other 'creative ways' of solving pressing accounting anomalies.
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Human error my a***. It’s either has been done deliberately or they’re doing it in tactical way to crack down culprits who are hiding and they find it hard to find. How an earth can government lose criminals records of almost half million people? I don’t buy it.
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I guess Little Bobby Tables turned to a life of crime.
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I know. It's not uncommon for a contractor to be paid £500 to £1000/day and for the Big Five consultancy partners to be charged out at £2,500 / day. During the planning through implementation phases, hundreds of contractors may be employed.

Then you have trying to convince 600+ Primary Care Trust CEO's to pay for it when they know they can do it locally for far less. Thus is when the whole system becomes fragmented because there is no national standards to which all must adhere and be held to account.

Worse, finance 'ring fenced' for IT is siphoned off to fund staff pay increases or other 'creative ways' of solving pressing accounting anomalies.
Oh god this reminds me of the fiasco at the Leicester city trust where they brought £35 million worth of server PC's.... and they weren't compatible with the code use by the trust's servers.

So in the end it was cheaper to replace the machines than change the code.... and that was just for 3 hospitals in a single city!
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