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(Original post by thisaccount)
Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
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(Original post by thisaccount)
Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
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(Original post by CSueS)
I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.
One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.
The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.
One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.
The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
It's true that schools that have dedicated staff/departments for helping students apply to Oxbridge have more successful students than schools that don't. It's not unreasonable to say that private schools usually have this more often than state schools.
I'm studying at an FE college (state school) and we have a dedicated team for Oxbridge applications that's run by Oxbridge graduates. Our success rate is less than half of your school's, but the fact that this team exists definitely increases our success rate due to how much effort and time is given to applicants regarding their application. I know for a fact that I would have been rejected pre-interview if I hadn't had the support that my college has given me (we're talking extensive workshops, telling me about summer schools and such, going over my PS, arranging mock interviews with former students who are currently studying my chosen subject at Cambridge, etc.).
Feedback and support from people who actually know the Oxbridge system can be a game-changer, and maybe those used to this sort of support forget to see it that way because they don't know the world without it. In my case I literally only have these opportunities because I live close enough to go to this college (plus it's free, so I wouldn't be able to go otherwise). I'm not going to sit here and say that I am just as likely to be successful with my Cambridge application as someone applying from the other FE college in my area which doesn't have an Oxbridge department because that would be false. Sure, some individuals flunk/ace the system and break away from statistical probability. The majority don't, though, and you can't ignore that in order to make yourself feel as if you're on the same playing field as those here who are state-educated.
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(Original post by CSueS)
I hope I can be the current Secretary of State for Education in UK, so that I can revamp the whole education system in UK and make every school a good school.
In Finland, small sclass size and all their schools are expected to be good. If Finland can achieve this, why can't UK! Is it too much to ask for from the UK government?
I hope I can be the current Secretary of State for Education in UK, so that I can revamp the whole education system in UK and make every school a good school.
In Finland, small sclass size and all their schools are expected to be good. If Finland can achieve this, why can't UK! Is it too much to ask for from the UK government?
People think that Oxbridge or top Russell Group unis are the indicators of social mobility but what they fail to realise is that the wealthy will always evolve to maintain their privilege. You can ban them from Oxbridge, but they will send their children to private schools in Switzerland, the US, Canada etc.
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(Original post by CSueS)
Yes, why not? But someone scolding me a socialist and socialist is communist and there evil!
Yes, why not? But someone scolding me a socialist and socialist is communist and there evil!
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(Original post by darnin2065)
Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%
Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%
Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
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(Original post by CSueS)
Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
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(Original post by bethilia)
One applicant not getting in from your school when the average success rate is 24 really isn't any sort of confirmation that private schools don't better prepare their students for applying to Oxbridge. In fact, the fact that your school has such a high yearly average indicates otherwise.
It's true that schools that have dedicated staff/departments for helping students apply to Oxbridge have more successful students than schools that don't. It's not unreasonable to say that private schools usually have this more often than state schools.
I'm studying at an FE college (state school) and we have a dedicated team for Oxbridge applications that's run by Oxbridge graduates. Our success rate is less than half of your school's, but the fact that this team exists definitely increases our success rate due to how much effort and time is given to applicants regarding their application. I know for a fact that I would have been rejected pre-interview if I hadn't had the support that my college has given me (we're talking extensive workshops, telling me about summer schools and such, going over my PS, arranging mock interviews with former students who are currently studying my chosen subject at Cambridge, etc.).
Feedback and support from people who actually know the Oxbridge system can be a game-changer, and maybe those used to this sort of support forget to see it that way because they don't know the world without it. In my case I literally only have these opportunities because I live close enough to go to this college (plus it's free, so I wouldn't be able to go otherwise). I'm not going to sit here and say that I am just as likely to be successful with my Cambridge application as someone applying from the other FE college in my area which doesn't have an Oxbridge department because that would be false. Sure, some individuals flunk/ace the system and break away from statistical probability. The majority don't, though, and you can't ignore that in order to make yourself feel as if you're on the same playing field as those here who are state-educated.
One applicant not getting in from your school when the average success rate is 24 really isn't any sort of confirmation that private schools don't better prepare their students for applying to Oxbridge. In fact, the fact that your school has such a high yearly average indicates otherwise.
It's true that schools that have dedicated staff/departments for helping students apply to Oxbridge have more successful students than schools that don't. It's not unreasonable to say that private schools usually have this more often than state schools.
I'm studying at an FE college (state school) and we have a dedicated team for Oxbridge applications that's run by Oxbridge graduates. Our success rate is less than half of your school's, but the fact that this team exists definitely increases our success rate due to how much effort and time is given to applicants regarding their application. I know for a fact that I would have been rejected pre-interview if I hadn't had the support that my college has given me (we're talking extensive workshops, telling me about summer schools and such, going over my PS, arranging mock interviews with former students who are currently studying my chosen subject at Cambridge, etc.).
Feedback and support from people who actually know the Oxbridge system can be a game-changer, and maybe those used to this sort of support forget to see it that way because they don't know the world without it. In my case I literally only have these opportunities because I live close enough to go to this college (plus it's free, so I wouldn't be able to go otherwise). I'm not going to sit here and say that I am just as likely to be successful with my Cambridge application as someone applying from the other FE college in my area which doesn't have an Oxbridge department because that would be false. Sure, some individuals flunk/ace the system and break away from statistical probability. The majority don't, though, and you can't ignore that in order to make yourself feel as if you're on the same playing field as those here who are state-educated.
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(Original post by CSueS)
But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
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(Original post by CSueS)
I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.
One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section 3 and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.
The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.
One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section 3 and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.
The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
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(Original post by CSueS)
Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
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(Original post by darnin2065)
Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%
Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%
Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
You’re right easier said than done. If only we had ppl in positions of power trying to make those dreams realities - we might get somewhere.
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(Original post by Theloniouss)
"only 24 out of 80-100" is above average. I've always felt that private school students are probably more likely to apply (falsely believing that their good grades are some indication that they're smart) when they aren't at all suited to Oxbridge, as indicated by the sheer number of applicants your school has.
"only 24 out of 80-100" is above average. I've always felt that private school students are probably more likely to apply (falsely believing that their good grades are some indication that they're smart) when they aren't at all suited to Oxbridge, as indicated by the sheer number of applicants your school has.
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(Original post by CSueS)
Oxbridge has been under a lot of pressure for admitting too many private school students and not diversity...
You just google and you can find a lot of coverage on this...
Oxbridge has been under a lot of pressure for admitting too many private school students and not diversity...
You just google and you can find a lot of coverage on this...
The idea that you are being penalised discounts the efforts of the thousands of young people who don't have the same advantages as you do, many of whom may actually be more naturally able than more privileged students*, however they haven't had the specialist training you've had.
*I'm not specifically referring to you or any other named or unnamed person. Many of the most naturally able people also happen to attend independent schools, so I won't make judgments about who is deserving of a place without any further information
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(Original post by darnin2065)
Christ, that's actually terrifying.
For anyone who doesn't understand GDP, in order to pay back the debt that the UK government owes to various people and countries, we'd have to sell our entire economy.
Christ, that's actually terrifying.
For anyone who doesn't understand GDP, in order to pay back the debt that the UK government owes to various people and countries, we'd have to sell our entire economy.
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(Original post by thisaccount)
Oh I wasn't being sarcastic lol, upping tax, abolishing private schools and shifting all the money paid to private schools into public school funding is a dream
Oh I wasn't being sarcastic lol, upping tax, abolishing private schools and shifting all the money paid to private schools into public school funding is a dream
Last but not least, if every school is a good school, there will be no demand for private school anyway...
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(Original post by CSueS)
But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
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(Original post by CSueS)
Acceptance rate Per applicant looks about 20% but the acceptance rate is much lower per total students in school. Yes, even high calibre of students get rejected every year....
Acceptance rate Per applicant looks about 20% but the acceptance rate is much lower per total students in school. Yes, even high calibre of students get rejected every year....
That doesn't make any sense. The students who don't apply don't get accepted or rejected - they didn't apply.
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(Original post by edaram)
No, that's absolutely not how that works.
No, that's absolutely not how that works.
Practically ofc no country would sell their entire economy in an attempt to pay the debt back because that defeats the point of borrowing in the short term to pay it off at a later date.
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(Original post by CSueS)
First and foremost, I agree to tax rich more. Secondly, government does not fund private schools. How to shift all the money paid to private school into public school if government does not fund those?
Last but not least, if every school is a good school, there will be no demand for private school anyway...
First and foremost, I agree to tax rich more. Secondly, government does not fund private schools. How to shift all the money paid to private school into public school if government does not fund those?
Last but not least, if every school is a good school, there will be no demand for private school anyway...
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