Re: Official Cambridge 2021 Applicants thread Mk II

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Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
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Finland has a population the size of 7.6% of the UK's, and high taxes rates. But hey, I'm all for taxing the rich more if that's what you're implying!
Yes, why not? But someone scolding me a socialist and socialist is communist and therefore evil! :eek:
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I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.

One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.

The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
One applicant not getting in from your school when the average success rate is 24 really isn't any sort of confirmation that private schools don't better prepare their students for applying to Oxbridge. In fact, the fact that your school has such a high yearly average indicates otherwise.

It's true that schools that have dedicated staff/departments for helping students apply to Oxbridge have more successful students than schools that don't. It's not unreasonable to say that private schools usually have this more often than state schools.

I'm studying at an FE college (state school) and we have a dedicated team for Oxbridge applications that's run by Oxbridge graduates. Our success rate is less than half of your school's, but the fact that this team exists definitely increases our success rate due to how much effort and time is given to applicants regarding their application. I know for a fact that I would have been rejected pre-interview if I hadn't had the support that my college has given me (we're talking extensive workshops, telling me about summer schools and such, going over my PS, arranging mock interviews with former students who are currently studying my chosen subject at Cambridge, etc.).

Feedback and support from people who actually know the Oxbridge system can be a game-changer, and maybe those used to this sort of support forget to see it that way because they don't know the world without it. In my case I literally only have these opportunities because I live close enough to go to this college (plus it's free, so I wouldn't be able to go otherwise). I'm not going to sit here and say that I am just as likely to be successful with my Cambridge application as someone applying from the other FE college in my area which doesn't have an Oxbridge department because that would be false. Sure, some individuals flunk/ace the system and break away from statistical probability. The majority don't, though, and you can't ignore that in order to make yourself feel as if you're on the same playing field as those here who are state-educated.
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I hope I can be the current Secretary of State for Education in UK, so that I can revamp the whole education system in UK and make every school a good school.
In Finland, small sclass size and all their schools are expected to be good. If Finland can achieve this, why can't UK! Is it too much to ask for from the UK government?
Education in the UK is difficult to improve because of the entrenched class system imho. Some people have called for the abolition of private schools but I fear that this wont change anything.

People think that Oxbridge or top Russell Group unis are the indicators of social mobility but what they fail to realise is that the wealthy will always evolve to maintain their privilege. You can ban them from Oxbridge, but they will send their children to private schools in Switzerland, the US, Canada etc.
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Yes, why not? But someone scolding me a socialist and socialist is communist and there evil! :eek:
Oh I wasn't being sarcastic lol, upping tax, abolishing private schools and shifting all the money paid to private schools into public school funding is a dream
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Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%

Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
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Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
But a theory but your friend could have gotten rejected because both her parents are surgeons. There’d likely be higher expectations from them, esp for interviews
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One applicant not getting in from your school when the average success rate is 24 really isn't any sort of confirmation that private schools don't better prepare their students for applying to Oxbridge. In fact, the fact that your school has such a high yearly average indicates otherwise.

It's true that schools that have dedicated staff/departments for helping students apply to Oxbridge have more successful students than schools that don't. It's not unreasonable to say that private schools usually have this more often than state schools.

I'm studying at an FE college (state school) and we have a dedicated team for Oxbridge applications that's run by Oxbridge graduates. Our success rate is less than half of your school's, but the fact that this team exists definitely increases our success rate due to how much effort and time is given to applicants regarding their application. I know for a fact that I would have been rejected pre-interview if I hadn't had the support that my college has given me (we're talking extensive workshops, telling me about summer schools and such, going over my PS, arranging mock interviews with former students who are currently studying my chosen subject at Cambridge, etc.).

Feedback and support from people who actually know the Oxbridge system can be a game-changer, and maybe those used to this sort of support forget to see it that way because they don't know the world without it. In my case I literally only have these opportunities because I live close enough to go to this college (plus it's free, so I wouldn't be able to go otherwise). I'm not going to sit here and say that I am just as likely to be successful with my Cambridge application as someone applying from the other FE college in my area which doesn't have an Oxbridge department because that would be false. Sure, some individuals flunk/ace the system and break away from statistical probability. The majority don't, though, and you can't ignore that in order to make yourself feel as if you're on the same playing field as those here who are state-educated.
But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
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But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
"only 24 out of 80-100" is above average. I've always felt that private school students are probably more likely to apply (falsely believing that their good grades are some indication that they're smart) when they aren't at all suited to Oxbridge, as indicated by the sheer number of applicants your school has.
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I'm studying in private school, I can assure you that you will get and learn more oxbridge supporting materials from Internet than from the private school.

One of my classmate was rejected by Oxford too. All of us including my private school teachers are surprised too. My school has been consistently sending about 2 dozens students to oxbridge every year. She has all the attributes and traits apart from achieving academic excellence. Her BMAT in both S1/S2 are in the range of 7. X and 4A in section 3 and she is the head girl in my school. She thinks that it could be her interviews or Oxbridge has tried to cut down offer for private students.

The point is my school has a lot experiences to send students to oxbridge but still.....
I'm not sure if this will make you feel better.
A lot of applicants with the right attributes for Oxbridge admission, but there are far more applicants with the same attributes that are applying for 150 1st year medicine place at Oxford. Hence the reasons why the competition is so fierce.
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Excuse me! I'm a young lady here in case you are not aware.
Depends on how you cut the pie! For instance, it is better to spend on education than sent troop to Iraq and committed war crime!
I don't agree with overseas warfare, especially not in the oilfields of Iraq, but at the same time, I think the 2348i25 socio-economic advisors that are in the government might know a bit more than you
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Well... yes, Finland has a population of 6 million, the UK has like 70. Finland's government debt is only 60% of it's GDP while the UKs is like 85%

Lot goes into this kinda stuff idk if it's as easily done than said bro...
Just FYI, UK national debt has reached 100% of GDP because of the pandemic the 85% figure was in 2019.

You’re right easier said than done. If only we had ppl in positions of power trying to make those dreams realities - we might get somewhere.
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"only 24 out of 80-100" is above average. I've always felt that private school students are probably more likely to apply (falsely believing that their good grades are some indication that they're smart) when they aren't at all suited to Oxbridge, as indicated by the sheer number of applicants your school has.
Acceptance rate Per applicant looks about 20% but the acceptance rate is much lower per total students in school. Yes, even high calibre of students get rejected every year....
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Oxbridge has been under a lot of pressure for admitting too many private school students and not diversity...

You just google and you can find a lot of coverage on this...
You seem to be under the belief that Oxbridge's primary goal is to reduce the number of private school students; in reality, they're just coming to accept that many private school students just have better access to tuition, resources and practice, so they are more able to be taught to succeed at the admissions process. Contextualisation efforts don't exist to punish private school students, but to consider how every student would have done had they had the same opportunities, and thus determine who actually has the best aptitude for their subject.

The idea that you are being penalised discounts the efforts of the thousands of young people who don't have the same advantages as you do, many of whom may actually be more naturally able than more privileged students*, however they haven't had the specialist training you've had.

*I'm not specifically referring to you or any other named or unnamed person. Many of the most naturally able people also happen to attend independent schools, so I won't make judgments about who is deserving of a place without any further information
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Christ, that's actually terrifying.

For anyone who doesn't understand GDP, in order to pay back the debt that the UK government owes to various people and countries, we'd have to sell our entire economy.
No, that's absolutely not how that works.
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Oh I wasn't being sarcastic lol, upping tax, abolishing private schools and shifting all the money paid to private schools into public school funding is a dream
First and foremost, I agree to tax rich more. Secondly, government does not fund private schools. How to shift all the money paid to private school into public school if government does not fund those?
Last but not least, if every school is a good school, there will be no demand for private school anyway...
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But you have to see the strength /quality of the student body, half the cohort have > 1OA* gcse and about 25-30% of the cohort attained 3A* and above. About 80-100 students applying oxbridge, but only about 2 dozen get in. The school has been spreading themselves very thin in supporting everyone in 6.2. We don't have so call oxbridge team to support students for oxbridge application. Our school teachers support every 6.2 students for university application.
Your school's statistics are already higher than a lot of state schools'. You say half of the students have > 10 A*s, disregarding the fact that the other half have ten or more. You don't find that in the average state school! Maybe your private school is "disadvantaged" compared to other private schools, but your school still has better stats and results than most state schools. Your teachers are better paid, probably have more prestigious academic backgrounds than teachers in state schools and have likely been given material and training to aid them in helping students with Oxbridge applications. As you said, 80-100 students at your school apply to Oxbridge every year. I'm sure a lot of those students' parents are paying for their tuition in hopes of getting a better chance of being a successful applicant. Private schools are (and arguably always have been) designed to mold students into high-scoring, academic successess that have a good chance of getting into Oxbridge. No matter how well or poorly your specific school performs compared to other private schools, you are still at an advantage for attending one when the bottom teir private school outperforms the average state school.
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Acceptance rate Per applicant looks about 20% but the acceptance rate is much lower per total students in school. Yes, even high calibre of students get rejected every year....
How many students do you have in each year group?

That doesn't make any sense. The students who don't apply don't get accepted or rejected - they didn't apply.
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No, that's absolutely not how that works.
I’m pretty sure that is how it works (theoretically anyways). GDP is the value of final goods and services produced in an economy. 100% of GDP is the total value of G&s in the economy. Therefore it would be right to say that our debt is the same value as our economy (provided that interest repayments are being considered as part of the debt and not a separate payment).

Practically ofc no country would sell their entire economy in an attempt to pay the debt back because that defeats the point of borrowing in the short term to pay it off at a later date.
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First and foremost, I agree to tax rich more. Secondly, government does not fund private schools. How to shift all the money paid to private school into public school if government does not fund those?
Last but not least, if every school is a good school, there will be no demand for private school anyway...
I mean that the money parents pay to private schools can be taken as tax to pay towards public schools if they've got that money and are already willing to spend it on education. Not realistic, I know, but a boy can dream
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