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(Original post by DiddyDec)
Any new healthcare infrastructure would need to comply with the HBN regulations which I am certain you have never even heard of. Simply converting abandoned buildings would not be up to code and could be potentially very dangerous for the patients.
It would take months just to design the building let alone actually build it.
Take it from someone that actually designs healthcare infrastructure, you couldn't be more wrong
Any new healthcare infrastructure would need to comply with the HBN regulations which I am certain you have never even heard of. Simply converting abandoned buildings would not be up to code and could be potentially very dangerous for the patients.
It would take months just to design the building let alone actually build it.
Take it from someone that actually designs healthcare infrastructure, you couldn't be more wrong
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(Original post by uberteknik)
I really do wonder what planet some people live on.
If by magic we could find the fully trained and qualified staff to service new hospitals, it begs the question what happens after everything is brought under control and the hospitals operate at a fraction of capacity but with a full staff?
The answer is horrible productivity, rampant inefficiency, overpaid medics and complacency. Welcome to nationalised industry.
I really do wonder what planet some people live on.
If by magic we could find the fully trained and qualified staff to service new hospitals, it begs the question what happens after everything is brought under control and the hospitals operate at a fraction of capacity but with a full staff?
The answer is horrible productivity, rampant inefficiency, overpaid medics and complacency. Welcome to nationalised industry.
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(Original post by the redmandeer)
yes you are correct however I have another point for you, excel London, nightingale hospitals all built for this purpose. We have had a year to prepare for this. We could have built a huge incentive for foreign doctors to come and work in the UK.
yes you are correct however I have another point for you, excel London, nightingale hospitals all built for this purpose. We have had a year to prepare for this. We could have built a huge incentive for foreign doctors to come and work in the UK.
Foreign doctors are busy with their local issues.
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#24
(Original post by the redmandeer)
Thats why you hire Temporary.
Thats why you hire Temporary.
Oh. SMH
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(Original post by uberteknik)
That's why we have Nightingale temporary hospitals. But wait, where are the qualified and trained temporary staff let alone fully competent practitioners to service the temp capacity?
Oh. SMH
That's why we have Nightingale temporary hospitals. But wait, where are the qualified and trained temporary staff let alone fully competent practitioners to service the temp capacity?
Oh. SMH
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(Original post by the redmandeer)
if china could do one in a week, the uk could do one in a year
furthermore even building it may not be as important, there are many places in the uk where buildings have been abandoned, these could easily be rebuilt as hospitals.
I think a lot of you guys underestimate the UK, the UK has the money to do almost anything.
if china could do one in a week, the uk could do one in a year
furthermore even building it may not be as important, there are many places in the uk where buildings have been abandoned, these could easily be rebuilt as hospitals.
I think a lot of you guys underestimate the UK, the UK has the money to do almost anything.
I agree with your sentiment though, we certainly do need to drastically improve our health service, build better facilities and train more of our own doctors and nurses, not just poach them from other countries. We can't allow this slash and burn/scorched earth policy of lockdown to become the go-to solution whenever a new pandemic rears it's head.
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#27
No money to build hospitals or to train the staff - we have a gross shortage of staff as it is which is going to get much worse now we've effectively banned most of the nurses and other ancillary staff from europe.
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(Original post by Napp)
No money to build hospitals or to train the staff - we have a gross shortage of staff as it is which is going to get much worse now we've effectively banned most of the nurses and other ancillary staff from europe.
No money to build hospitals or to train the staff - we have a gross shortage of staff as it is which is going to get much worse now we've effectively banned most of the nurses and other ancillary staff from europe.
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(Original post by the redmandeer)
with money, the government was willing to spend 450mn on 500£ per postive test, MONEY IS not an issue
with money, the government was willing to spend 450mn on 500£ per postive test, MONEY IS not an issue
Either way, they havent even brought their current hospitals up to speck. Whats the point in building more (even if they had the money) when the current ones arent fit for purpose? Or when theres no one to work in them..
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(Original post by the redmandeer)
with money, the government was willing to spend 450mn on 500£ per postive test, MONEY IS not an issue
with money, the government was willing to spend 450mn on 500£ per postive test, MONEY IS not an issue
The NHS was founded in 1948 (against Tory and Doctors' opposition and UK having huge debt to US after WW2). Because the Labour Party and especially Aneurin Bevin, was determined to solve the problem of medical care not being available to the poor.
We allow the Conservative / Lib Dem Coalition Government etc to continue to privatise the NHS at our peril. This Government is prepared to sell off anything to their friends to make money. They don't, philosophically, believe in public provision - the Welfare State, pensions, sick pay, medical care, education, jobs etc. They believe that people should be made responsible for their own futures. " It does no one any favours taking responsibility from them - they should make their own provision etc etc." Easy to say when your parents paid £30k + pa at Eton for your education (BJ), or you inherited £3million at 21.
Tough if like most people you don't have the money to provide yourself. We all are supported financially by paying people in essential work very low wages, but the Tories have the nerve to look down on them and say it's their own fault if they earn poor money. The scandal of having to wait at least 5 weeks for Universal Credit must be stopped.
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#31
(Original post by uberteknik)
I really do wonder what planet some people live on.
If by magic we could find the fully trained and qualified staff to service new hospitals, it begs the question what happens after everything is brought under control and the hospitals operate at a fraction of capacity but with a full staff?
The answer is horrible productivity, rampant inefficiency, overpaid medics and complacency. Welcome to nationalised industry.
I really do wonder what planet some people live on.
If by magic we could find the fully trained and qualified staff to service new hospitals, it begs the question what happens after everything is brought under control and the hospitals operate at a fraction of capacity but with a full staff?
The answer is horrible productivity, rampant inefficiency, overpaid medics and complacency. Welcome to nationalised industry.
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#32
(Original post by WithYouAliens)
British people don't tend to focus on financial incentives as their main life goal, otherwise everyone would have immigrated to the US by now. The problem is that these jobs are highly stressful with poor work-life balance (who is going to do the night shift?).
British people don't tend to focus on financial incentives as their main life goal, otherwise everyone would have immigrated to the US by now. The problem is that these jobs are highly stressful with poor work-life balance (who is going to do the night shift?).
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...th/353/353.pdf
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(Original post by Pythian)
Very true. According to a recent HoC Health report, 44% leave the profession due to working conditions. Only 14% leave due to pay issues!
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...th/353/353.pdf
Very true. According to a recent HoC Health report, 44% leave the profession due to working conditions. Only 14% leave due to pay issues!
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...th/353/353.pdf
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(Original post by Quady)
Dunno why they weren't included in the pay freeze this year then tbh
Dunno why they weren't included in the pay freeze this year then tbh
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