why are people so mean to males on the internet

Yep because intentions matter. Women do not intent to end their lives. You can attempt suicide for lots of reasons other than really wanting to kill yourself.

Like slut shaming, it's misogynistic because it's a double standard and nobody can rationally explain what's the ''proper'' number of people to have slept with. Nowadays, very few if any guys expect women to be virgins before marriage (and vice versa), usually those are the ultra religious who hold loads of other um unconventional views (to put it politely). So really most people who slut shame so are either hypocritical (they do it too but shame others solely because of their sex), irrational (don't really realise that there is no ''proper'' number of people to have slept with for a girl not to be a ''slut'', it's quite arbitrary and made up) or very religious.

But the view that men who express emotion are weak and inferior is also widespread and misandrist. That is a genuine problem, men have very high suicide rates in part for this reason. It's a double standard as well, very similar to slut shaming in another form obviously.

Really? I thought attempting to kill yourself would mean you want to kill yourself
( I realise this sounds sarcastic but I’m genuinely curious)

It can even be accidental. You might self-harm and not intend to kill yourself but end up in a hospital.

It can even be accidental. You might self-harm and not intend to kill yourself but end up in a hospital.

Yep, I find it mildly provocative when I'm hanging out with someone who claims they are a "feminist", yet expect me to foot the bill, and say they want women to get paid the same as men, but want a boyfriend who earns more than they do.

It's... nuts.

First of all I don't like footing others' bills. I like shared responsibility as a opening move. And I don't like paying someone else for their time in these contexts, or whatever the conventional excuses are for these arrangements. I understand the cultural background perfectly well, I just don't like it used as an excuse to get free meals by "serial-daters" who sometimes even make a career out of this.

its really not simple as that. men have oppressed women for centuries which has lead to so much resentment and pain. misogyny is all around us, and perhaps you have had the privilege to not feel it, but it seriously damages peoples life chances and their social lives too in all aspects. its incredibly ridiculous to tell people to just be nice when there is so much generational trauma linked to the way men are allowed to treat women. it doesn't help anything that is true. but then again, we should allow women to express their hatred for men and the patriarchy and listen to what they have to say, because that hatred stems from one common place, which is the lack of equality for men and women. women don't owe men kindness as a whole when the system of patriarchy designed by men has set them back hundreds of years behind men. also, there are far more misogynistic jokes on the internet about women than men and maybe you havent been on it long enough to realise the thousands of online communities where jokes against women are normalised

I see but then surely the intent wouldn’t be to kill oneself, it would be self harm?

No, we should address irrational blanket hatred for men. The world can do without unnecessary animosity.

"Women don't owe men kindness" is laughable - why do you feel the need to be bitter towards a random person who has done nothing to you?

No, we should address irrational blanket hatred for men. The world can do without unnecessary animosity.

"Women don't owe men kindness" is laughable - why do you feel the need to be bitter towards a random person who has done nothing to you?

This kind of idea that women and men should be pitted against each other is the reason the world is never going to get anywhere, one will always be oppressed in a world with that type of mentality. Sexism goes both ways.

Women don’t own men kindness and men don’t own women kindness but we owe each other respect.

I'm sorry but this is blaming victims for not being properly rational advocates of their cause.

Yes some feminists go too far in irrational ways due to their anger, but we still don't have equality and so their anger is justified. It's such a bad look to complain about that when the real root social problem still exists.

I do understand though if you aren't thinking about it like this, some feminists can just seem completely crazy and irrationally angry, and many of them are, but let's complain about the ultimate cause of this problem not just this symptom of it.

Yeah I agree but "women don’t owe men kindness" alone would usually read to me like "baseless resentment of you is ok because other men have done xyz", and that poster seemed to be basically saying that.

We can still, and should, condemn the way they express this anger. Maybe condemn is a strong word, but what is sometimes said is far too strong, and shouldn't really ever be considered "ok".