Should we suspend Scottish devolution?

It doesn’t constitute as law.

If you want to go down the legal route though, the SNP has no legal recourse to call for a referendum. That’s in the legislation.

There was no legal recourse for the 2014 referendum. But it was held because at the time everybody said that we’ll do this once and the topic is closed for a generation.

We’re still reeling from the damage that that referendum caused due to the toxicity of the SNP. Intimidating politicians. Shouting people down. Putting personal details of those against them on line.

I’ve seen Scotland go from a usual banter amongst the home nations to post 2014 these types of loonies coming out of the woodwork.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/cops-probe-pro-independence-video-23407183

It should t come as a surprise. The SNP aligned itself with Sinn Fein in the late 70s and early 80s. They’ve taken Irish republicanism and put a Caledonian spin on it.

We are of course talking about a party that will do anything and side with anybody in order to promote its cause. The SNP were putting feelers out in WW2 to the Nazis when it looked like Britain was loosing. They went back into their holes like many other loonies when it became apparent we weren’t on our knees anymore.

Sorry, lost me there.

The SNP asked for a referendum which was granted . It was held in 2014.

The SNP said it was a once in a generation referendum.

The SNP has no legal basis for any referendum.

The last referendum has caused significant damage to society. Pushing for another referendum will creat more division.

We’re now seeing some SNP supporters threatening violence. .

Yes, and?...


Yes, and?...


The Scottish Parliament will pass the relevant legislation, it is not the SNP's decision.


If the Scottish people vote in the majority for independence, that's all there is to it. The fact that Brexit is a catastrophe does not make any difference.


Are they? Against who and about what? Details please.


BTW, do you think government should always abandon policy if someone threatens violence over it?

The Scottish Parliament will pass the relevant legislation, it is not the SNP's decision.

We’re now seeing some SNP supporters threatening violence. .

If its good enough for Mandela...

I’m not oppressed. I never have been. No matter how much the SNP push the grievance line out.

In no way have I been persecuted.

Although, to be fare . Mandela was in prison for 27 years. About a generation.

Perhaps America is a better example of violence to achieve independence tbh

Average income, perhaps but the disparity between rich and poor is increasing, as is the proportion of people living in poverty.
Classic signs of a Third World Country.

I've checked the legislation covering that referendum and can't find anything restricting it to "once in a generation". Could you provide a link? Thanks.

The legislation provided for a single, time-limited referendum. By that reckoning, there's no option for a second referendum ever.

If you want a reference, it's s.3 of the Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Schedule 5) Order 2013.

Are you implying we don’t have any representation in government?

Is this the American situation where Scottish troops were actively involved in fighting against the American revolutionaries?

At the same time revolutionaries, backed by France and Spain exploited a tense situation for political gain that resulted in their exercise backfiring against them.

sorry to burst your bubble. I’m not oppressed. Never have been.

we had a once in a generation referendum on the issue 6 years back.

As far as I can see I’ve got an ineffective devolved government trying to deflect away from their own failings

The legislation provided for a single, time-limited referendum. By that reckoning, there's no option for a second referendum ever.

If you want a reference, it's s.3 of the Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Schedule 5) Order 2013.

I find the reliance on the SNP and Scottish Government's once-in-a-generation pledges rather awkward really. Ultimately, they shouldn't have any control over the issue. The UK Government can point to their hypocrisy, lies and even say 'we agree with 2014 SNP policy, not 2021 SNP policy' - but to suggest that the SNP have somehow the authority to bind on anything like this is silly.

It is the UK Government that is the arbiter, ultimately, of these questions and has a legitimate role in ensuring fairness. It can, quite reasonably, state that (i) the result should be binding and (ii) there is a legitimate reason to guard against a neverendum-style outcome. The result can be the same - once in a generation - but let's not hide behind the SNP having said it, even if that might be politically convenient.

The Scottish Government led by the SNP is legally not allowed to pass that legislation in Holyrood . They can try, which I suspect they might. But I suspect that that will be done only to generate more animosity.

I am merely highlighting the fact that the SNP took guidance from Sinn Fein on how to push its political agenda.

Barring a few oddballs over the years, Scottish nationalist have been loveable rogues with a romantic agenda. The SNP have ramped up the rhetoric to the stage where there’s some rather crazy individuals coming out of the Woodward now.

We have the SNP handing out politically charged material in our schools. Some exceedingly dubious, looking more illegal as the days go by, activity in the upper echelons on ScotGov. Money being withheld from sections of society in order to generate grievances. Failing education standards.

Even assuming The Lord Advocate doesn't block it, howd you propose it'd get Royal Assent?

Or are you assuming Keatings will win?
Edit
Just seen about the Keatings case, can kicked

I’m not oppressed. I never have been. No matter how much the SNP push the grievance line out.
In no way have I been persecuted.

The legislation provided for a single, time-limited referendum. By that reckoning, there's no option for a second referendum ever.

If you want a reference, it's s.3 of the Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Schedule 5) Order 2013.

I find the reliance on the SNP and Scottish Government's once-in-a-generation pledges rather awkward really. Ultimately, they shouldn't have any control over the issue. The UK Government can point to their hypocrisy, lies and even say 'we agree with 2014 SNP policy, not 2021 SNP policy' - but to suggest that the SNP have somehow the authority to bind on anything like this is silly.

It is the UK Government that is the arbiter, ultimately, of these questions and has a legitimate role in ensuring fairness. It can, quite reasonably, state that (i) the result should be binding and (ii) there is a legitimate reason to guard against a neverendum-style outcome. The result can be the same - once in a generation - but let's not hide behind the SNP having said it, even if that might be politically convenient.

The Scottish Parliament can, and almost certainly will, vote to hold a referendum. There will then be a variety of possible political and legal processes.
Ironically, the only way to stop it would be for Johnson to wilfully go against "the will of the people". Even if he does, it is still possible for the referendum to go ahead.


And?...


Examples?
There are always a few extremists when it comes politics, whatever the issue. Remember that a Labour MP was assassinated over Brexit.


References?

If the legislation is passed, it will get Royal Assent. It hasn't been refused for over 300 years. The Queen doesn't have the balls.


That case does not stop the process.

If the SNP win the kind of majority expected, the Scottish Parliament will vote on holding a referendum. It is then up to Westminster to block democratic self-determination, a right guaranteed by Article 1 of the UN Charter.
You can take the country out of the colonies, but you can't take colonialism out of the country.