Should we suspend Scottish devolution?

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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
He's making the false point (he might again say hes using a hyperbole when called out for it:rolleyes:) that leave voters take objection to being called racist for simply voting leave, there are many leave voters whom voted leave without immigration on their minds. This is what the posters (x2) fail to grasp.
I maintain that a good proportion of people voted Leave because of essentially what boils down to xenophobia or racism, although there were undoubtedly some for whom other arguments were paramount.
The claim that immigration was not even a contributory factor for many Leave voters is neither realistic nor honest.
Back in the early days of our correspondence, you admitted yourself that the proliferation of low-paid, low-skilled migrants was a reason for your own Leave vote.

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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
And Scotland can be outside the EU and a happy member of the UK...
That remains to be seen.
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To be fair, Burton Bridge voted Leave so the government could abolish VAT on sanitary products. It's not all about immigration.
Control full control of VAT was a reason yes and other issues I've explained over and over again. End the superiority of EU law, etc.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Maybe if you have issues with the moderation on this forum take it up with them, rather than breaking more forum rules by attacking/insulting me - the person you think it reporting you and thus giving me more ammunition to report you :rolleyes: :rofl:

Or even better maybe just don't break the rules in the first place, which is real rocket science
Interesting that when people are talking about serial reporters, you automatically assume they are talking about you! :beard:
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Inaccurate as ever
It was accurate, checkmate
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Brilliant!
"Vote Leave for more immigration from Bangladesh!"
Not surprised they kept that quiet. :rofl:
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I maintain that a good proportion of people voted Leave because of essentially what boils down to xenophobia or racism, although there were undoubtedly some for whom other arguments were paramount.
The claim that immigration was not even a contributory factor for many Leave voters is neither realistic nor honest.
Back in the early days of our correspondence, you admitted yourself that the proliferation of low-paid, low-skilled migrants was a reason for your own Leave vote.

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However you belive any northern former labour supporter whom voted tory last election is racist, xenophobic etc. You have admitted this and nothing will change your mind, so realistically there is nowhere to take this. Your opinion on this subject is bigoted its entrenched and cannot be moved by reasonable thought or debate.

I may of said that employers have had it good regarding freedom of movement. They have benefited by having a never ending stream of low skilled workers whom never get old, never draw a pension and never join a union. The joy isn't necessarily felt down the social class line though, which is factual and reasonable.

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Interesting that when people are talking about serial reporters, you automatically assume they are talking about you! :beard:
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It was accurate, checkmate
It wasn't accurate at all. Not all brexiteers this at all, many Scottish leave voters are remain voters.

It was absolutely inaccurate
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Brilliant!
"Vote Leave for more immigration from Bangladesh!"
Not surprised they kept that quiet. :rofl:
You really dont get it do you? Abilty control reduce/increase isn't linked.
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However you belive any northern former labour supporter whom voted tory last election is racist, xenophobic etc.
No I don't. I believe that some, possibly most of then are. However, they are all idiots.


They have benefited by having a never ending stream of low skilled workers
Ironic that during the summer when there was a shortage of these low-skilled migrants for farm work, employers were complaining that they couldn't find enough suitably experienced applicants from this country. :confused:
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That remains to be seen.
No it's perfectly possible, it's far more likely than a happy Scotland outside of the UK and a member of the EU. Scots are not crash hot on joining the Euro for one example.
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No I don't. I believe that some, possibly most of then are. However, they are all idiots.
Lol :facepalm: I recall you saying the former as well but all idoits is hardly a objective reasonable view to hold of hundreds of thousands of people who you have never met. Pretty bigoted by definition so I'll stick at that

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No
Ironic that during the summer when there was a shortage of these low-skilled migrants for farm work, employers were complaining that they couldn't find enough suitably experienced applicants from this country. :confused:
Been here before when I said there is no reason we cannot arrange people to have the opportunity and ability and means to do this work successfully. You and your Thatcherite mate, went on a wild eyed rant about me wanting slave camps with motivational speeches above the gates! :rolleyes::cheers:
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No it's perfectly possible, it's far more likely than a happy Scotland outside of the UK and a member of the EU. Scots are not crash hot on joining the Euro for one example.
Literally the 20th poll in a row to show favour for Scottish independence, yet in your opinion “it remains to be seen.” Have you been living under a rock? If the SNP increase their majority in the next Holyrood elections in May will you retract that barmy statement?
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Literally the 20th poll in a row to show favour for Scottish independence, yet in your opinion “it remains to be seen.” Have you been living under a rock? If the SNP increase their majority in the next Holyrood elections in May will you retract that barmy statement?
Missing my questions again... shocker

It doesn't mean it will happen, polls are not exactly accurate are they? If they were the Tories wouldn't of won a majority in 2015 to give us the referendum in the first place and remain would have won!

Also many no voters vote SNP for their socialist policies, you the ones you call barnpot etc
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Lol :facepalm: I recall you saying the former as well but all idoits is hardly a objective reasonable view to hold of hundreds of thousands of people who you have never met. Pretty bigoted by definition so I'll stick at that
A working class person living in an area of social depravation and high unemployment who willingly votes Tory solely in order to enable Brexit, which will clearly impact negatively on their lives? I think "idiot" is being kind!

And given that it is a reasonable, evidence-based argument, it doesn't really qualify as "bigotry" - although I know how keen you are to use the term as a means of trying to shut down anyone whose opinion you disagree with (bear with me, I'm just fitting a new spring).

Been here before when I said there is no reason we cannot arrange people to have the opportunity and ability and means to do this work successfully.
Oh yes, I remember your idea to make the unemployed relocate to do the low-paid jobs no one wants to do.
*cough*labour camps*cough*
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A working class person living in an area of social depravation and high unemployment who willingly votes Tory solely in order to enable Brexit, which will clearly impact negatively on their lives? I think "idiot" is being kind!

And given that it is a reasonable, evidence-based argument, it doesn't really qualify as "bigotry" - although I know how keen you are to use the term as a means of trying to shut down anyone whose opinion you disagree with (bear with me, I'm just fitting a new spring).


Oh yes, I remember your idea to make the unemployed relocate to do the low-paid jobs no one wants to do.
*cough*labour camps*cough*
Oh I remember that thread! Vintage that was. When in doubt, shove the unemployed into labour camps. I mean, that coming from me would be one thing, but coming from a supposed Labour member, and pied piper of the poor is another.
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Brilliant!
"Vote Leave for more immigration from Bangladesh!"
Not surprised they kept that quiet. :rofl:
'They'? Who's they?

Vote leave didnt keep it quiet, vote leave promoted it.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
What's hard to understand?

Scotland would return the same powers they had under John Major's Tories. If that is the Scottish office .... then it's the Scottish office. Things would run exactly how they did in the early 90's.

The further referendum which would exclude Scottish people would close be to close the Scottish house and replace with localised councils like in England with the councils being given equal support or remain as the status quo. So one for the isle of Skye, it's really not hard to understand

It would focus the minds of the SNP, the price of failure is too high.
Why the early 90s as opposed to the early 1950s?
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'They'? Who's they?

Vote leave didnt keep it quiet, vote leave promoted it.
First I've heard of it, and I was always on the lookout for that kind of insanity.

"They" would likely be the media consultants who realised that your average target Leave voter would rather have Poles than Pakistanis.
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Why the early 90s as opposed to the early 1950s?
Why not
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