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According to Craig Unger's new book, 'American Kompromat'. His extensive sources from amongst ex-KGB operatives have led to some startling (but perhaps not totally unexpected) revelations.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...b-spy-new-book

"For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery."

"Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives."

Long overdue that Trump be investigated properly for being an agent of a foreign power.
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Alas, i'm about as convinced about this as the pee pee tape, or, more aptly, that Trump was ever a good businessman. His inability to keep his trap shut would have made him a bloody awful agent. Unless, conversely, he's actually talking about Trumps notoriously quick tweeting finger in which case its slightly more believable.

I'd be curious to know what possible use the KGB would have had for a 3rd rate property mogul who couldnt keep a casino above water. Hardly the Philby of his days, surely?
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Alas, i'm about as convinced about this as the pee pee tape, or, more aptly, that Trump was ever a good businessman. His inability to keep his trap shut would have made him a bloody awful agent. Unless, conversely, he's actually talking about Trumps notoriously quick tweeting finger in which case its slightly more believable.

I'd be curious to know what possible use the KGB would have had for a 3rd rate property mogul who couldnt keep a casino above water. Hardly the Philby of his days, surely?
Well if you believe what Unger's source is saying, the agency used wide scattergun approaches in New York and DC to try to snare anyone who might seem helpful one day - Trump was from a very wealthy (but crooked) family and was a big name in NY at the time, so it perhaps seemed a good bet to encourage him and attempt to control him and nudge him into politics - and it worked, so they were right.

An amusing piece in the Guardian this morning about an interview with Nancy Sinatra - she says that back in the 80s some time, Trump asked Frank Sinatra to sing at his Atlantic City casino. Sinatra's reply - "go **** yourself". :lol:
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Well if you believe what Unger's source is saying, the agency used wide scattergun approaches in New York and DC to try to snare anyone who might seem helpful one day - Trump was from a very wealthy (but crooked) family and was a big name in NY at the time, so it perhaps seemed a good bet to encourage him and attempt to control him and nudge him into politics - and it worked, so they were right.

An amusing piece in the Guardian this morning about an interview with Nancy Sinatra - she says that back in the 80s some time, Trump asked Frank Sinatra to sing at his Atlantic City casino. Sinatra's reply - "go **** yourself". :lol:
Ah gotcha, hm i might have to give the book a read when someone puts it on libgen. Alas, there's been a recent explosion in books on all things Russia related so it'll have to join the back of my book queue :lol:
Love the response :rofl: If he wasnt such a complete thundercunt i might almost feel sorry for the man seeing his reputation, such as it was, completely shredded alongside his social and private lives :lol:
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Ah gotcha, hm i might have to give the book a read when someone puts it on libgen. Alas, there's been a recent explosion in books on all things Russia related so it'll have to join the back of my book queue :lol:
Love the response :rofl: If he wasnt such a complete thundercunt i might almost feel sorry for the man seeing his reputation, such as it was, completely shredded alongside his social and private lives :lol:
Lol, I think Sinatra must have been quite a funny and clever man judging from some of his quotes and so on, I'd like to read a book about him some time. He was quite politically minded I think.

Not holding out much hope of a Senate impeachment for the Donald now. :sad:
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According to Craig Unger's new book, 'American Kompromat'. His extensive sources from amongst ex-KGB operatives have led to some startling (but perhaps not totally unexpected) revelations.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...b-spy-new-book

"For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery."

"Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives."

Long overdue that Trump be investigated properly for being an agent of a foreign power.
Being manipulated by Russia is not the same as being an agent for Russia.
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I don't know about a Russian asset but he is certainly a MSM asset. God knows what they are going to get their clicks with now. They will have to go on Trump withdrawal courses.😊
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I don't know about a Russian asset but he is certainly a MSM asset. God knows what they are going to get their clicks with now.
Judging by its vaccine machinations, looks like the EU's auditioning for the job.
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This Russia crap is the left wing equivalent of QAnon.
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Being manipulated by Russia is not the same as being an agent for Russia.
We don't know the whole story though. It does look as if he was under the control of Russia's inner circles as he for example repeatedly overlooked serious Russian offences such as their destruction of a civilian airliner over Ukraine and the major cyberattacks against the West in the last few years. The US investigations did not clear Trump and showed that several hundred of his staff and associates were involved in attempting to cover up the links. More is still to come out.
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I don't know about a Russian asset but he is certainly a MSM asset. God knows what they are going to get their clicks with now. They will have to go on Trump withdrawal courses.😊
Doesnt that rather go for all media? 'main stream' or not? Be it CNN whining about him being a neo nazi who punches black babies to OAN trying to suck his ****.
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Tinker Tailor Soldier Clown
Thats derogatory to clowns!
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Well if you believe what Unger's source is saying, the agency used wide scattergun approaches in New York and DC to try to snare anyone who might seem helpful one day - Trump was from a very wealthy (but crooked) family and was a big name in NY at the time, so it perhaps seemed a good bet to encourage him and attempt to control him and nudge him into politics - and it worked, so they were right.

An amusing piece in the Guardian this morning about an interview with Nancy Sinatra - she says that back in the 80s some time, Trump asked Frank Sinatra to sing at his Atlantic City casino. Sinatra's reply - "go **** yourself". :lol:
Have you ever just thought that Trump
originally got voted in because the US electorate didn’t like Clinton?

quite often when people’s well entrenched belief systems come under question they try and find a scapegoat.

Hillary wasn’t voted in because she was Toxic - it was the Russians.

The EU was found to be not as popular as people thought (ignoring the fact that politicians had promised and failed to deliver previous referendums ) - it was the Russians .

At least the middle classes intelligentsia aren’t blaming the Jews this time around.

I keep reading about all of this Russian involvement yet seen no actual evidence of it. I’ve seen the same reporting that you’ve seen, but because you want to make a connection, you’ll make the evidence what you believe already.

I’ll let you do a little experiment though.

find out the person that people keep claiming has uncovered the evidence of Russian involvement in the US.

Find out the name of the people who keep claiming Russian involvement in brexit.

find out if there’s any connections between those people.
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Have you ever just thought that Trump
originally got voted in because the US electorate didn’t like Clinton?

quite often when people’s well entrenched belief systems come under question they try and find a scapegoat.

Hillary wasn’t voted in because she was Toxic - it was the Russians.

The EU was found to be not as popular as people thought (ignoring the fact that politicians had promised and failed to deliver previous referendums ) - it was the Russians .

At least the middle classes intelligentsia aren’t blaming the Jews this time around.

I keep reading about all of this Russian involvement yet seen no actual evidence of it. I’ve seen the same reporting that you’ve seen, but because you want to make a connection, you’ll make the evidence what you believe already.

I’ll let you do a little experiment though.

find out the person that people keep claiming has uncovered the evidence of Russian involvement in the US.

Find out the name of the people who keep claiming Russian involvement in brexit.

find out if there’s any connections between those people.
If Russia was uninterested in Brexit, why did Nigel Farage's best mate Aaron Banks from Leave UK visit the Russian Embassy in London during the Referendum campaign eleven times?

Russia has already been legally shown by the Mueller investigation to have made many attempts to intervene in US elections.

This isn't attacking the Russian people, it is about Putin's corrupt gangster regime.
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If Russia was uninterested in Brexit, why did Nigel Farage's best mate Aaron Banks from Leave UK visit the Russian Embassy in London during the Referendum campaign eleven times?

Russia has already been legally shown by the Mueller investigation to have made many attempts to intervene in US elections.

This isn't attacking the Russian people, it is about Putin's corrupt gangster regime.
I don’t know. Possibly because somebody had offered him up the possibility of an investment in Russia which he chose to not proceed with?

id have thought the last place you were going to discuss espionage/subversion/coup is at the embassy of a hostile foreign power that even somebody such as yourself must acknowledge is more than likely to be getting continually watched.

Aaron banks has been investigated though. Remember the cancel culture reported him to the police and the police found nothing .( hardly touched in the media though. You’d have thought that when they tried to imply illegal activities they’d have followed up their innocence with equal journalistic vigour.

What I did find odd however from ye case was that the same guy who was making accusations against Trump, was the same guy who was making accusations against the brexit campaign.

Odd that he happens to also be Tony Blair’s mate. Remember Blair? He was a former PM who advised the EU how to screw is over in brexit negotiations .

what I found even more worrying was the person who made these so far unsubstantiated allegations of Russian involvement receives
Most of his financial backing from the same person who funded Gina Millers last ditch attempt to shackle us to The EU.

You see, what you seem to have done is think that Russianis a threat to the EU, and therefore anything that threatens the EU must either be pro Russian or Russian backed.
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I don’t know. Possibly because somebody had offered him up the possibility of an investment in Russia which he chose to not proceed with?

id have thought the last place you were going to discuss espionage/subversion/coup is at the embassy of a hostile foreign power that even somebody such as yourself must acknowledge is more than likely to be getting continually watched.

Aaron banks has been investigated though. Remember the cancel culture reported him to the police and the police found nothing .( hardly touched in the media though. You’d have thought that when they tried to imply illegal activities they’d have followed up their innocence with equal journalistic vigour.

What I did find odd however from ye case was that the same guy who was making accusations against Trump, was the same guy who was making accusations against the brexit campaign.

Odd that he happens to also be Tony Blair’s mate. Remember Blair? He was a former PM who advised the EU how to screw is over in brexit negotiations .

what I found even more worrying was the person who made these so far unsubstantiated allegations of Russian involvement receives
Most of his financial backing from the same person who funded Gina Millers last ditch attempt to shackle us to The EU.

You see, what you seem to have done is think that Russianis a threat to the EU, and therefore anything that threatens the EU must either be pro Russian or Russian backed.
There seems to be more than a touch of bias in your comment here, with a few conspiracies concerning shadowy evil remainers..:rolleyes:
Ironically, on your last paragraph though, a fair whack of the EU (or at least the countries that matter - DE, FR, IT et al. are mostly for warmer ties with Russia).
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If Russia was uninterested in Brexit, why did Nigel Farage's best mate Aaron Banks from Leave UK visit the Russian Embassy in London during the Referendum campaign eleven times?

Russia has already been legally shown by the Mueller investigation to have made many attempts to intervene in US elections.

This isn't attacking the Russian people, it is about Putin's corrupt gangster regime.
It's less Russia being interested in Brexit than simply having a jolly. Chaos is good in the Russian book, albeit they view chaos as a means to an end unlike the west who view it as a dreadful thing that nothing can come out of. Either way, the most that can be said for nominal Russian involvement in Brexit was a bit of money tossed at it. Barely even trolling as opposed to simply seeing if anything amusing can happen.

As to the American election (singular, not plural was it not?), despite what American propaganda would have the world believe, their own investigation was quite clear in that this supposed interference was little more than internet trolling and stirring up existing divides. It does baffle me though that the Americans could ever get on their high horse about such things when it has been a long standing policy of theirs to interfere in everyones elections. From buying the Russian one, trying to implode several other countries, backing juntas and so on. People might argue about a false moral equivalence, but, lets be fair. As far as 'meddling' goes buying a few adverts and sending a bunch of fb trolls to piss around is hardly meaningful. The document leaks, slightly more so, but nothing that the Americans themselves dont do within their own elections under the banner of 'opposition research'.

Wouldnt attacking the government that is still broadly popular be eo ipso an attack on the people who still broadly support it? They take exception to the kleptocratic nature of it sure. But if you speak to any real everyday Russians they support the government (or at least Putin). Bear in mind, the people you hear in Russia bashing the government to the BBC/NYT etc. are a tiny minority of educated liberal city dwellers, they are not representative of anything much in a country such as Russia.

As a general point though, when looking at how/why the Kremlin does what it does most people use the west as a frame of reference. This is but the biggest mistake anyone can make for a country that has a fundamentally different world view and where many of our definitions such as rationale action, self interest, cooperation etc. are completely different in Russia. Keir Giles (a highly respected Russia watcher) recently wrote a good book on it (so did Galeotti for that matter) if anyone wants to really understand the workings of Russian domestic and foreign policy (and thus how it interacts with the west) it is highly recommended to read their works along with Trenin, Adamsky and so on.

Sorry for the long reply though
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There seems to be more than a touch of bias in your comment here, with a few conspiracies concerning shadowy evil remainers..:rolleyes:
Ironically, on your last paragraph though, a fair whack of the EU (or at least the countries that matter - DE, FR, IT et al. are mostly for warmer ties with Russia).
Not bias. Just aware that smear campaigns work both ways.

there seems to be a massive increase in sh*t flinging to discredit people hoping that all that’s needed is the media report of a claim of something dodgy, rarely followed up with the follow up report of no evidence.

claims of Russian involvement in brexit? Massive media coverage. Little media coverage of the investigations results.

claims of illegal spending. Massive media coverage. Very little reporting that the police fraud squad couldn’t find anything.

divisive former US president who got voted in because the electorate couldn’t stand who he was running against. Their Russian involvement out there.

merely pointing out the factual account that the same person who reported on Russian involvement in Trumps election and Brexit is/was financially backed by the same person who financially backed the loosing campaigns.

Third party reinforcement is a powerful tool in trying to change peoples minds. You can do that by either getting ‘an expert’ to say things or somebody you trust.
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