Trump was a long time KGB asset

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jackmarshal757
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We don't know the whole story though. It does look as if he was under the control of Russia's inner circles as he for example repeatedly overlooked serious Russian offences such as their destruction of a civilian airliner over Ukraine and the major cyberattacks against the West in the last few years. The US investigations did not clear Trump and showed that several hundred of his staff and associates were involved in attempting to cover up the links. More is still to come out.
All business and politics, seriously why have the left not given up on the Russia stuff, especially as he isn’t even president yet.

You’re making yourselves look like fools for believing in such conspiracy theories
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
We don't know the whole story though. It does look as if he was under the control of Russia's inner circles as he for example repeatedly overlooked serious Russian offences such as their destruction of a civilian airliner over Ukraine and the major cyberattacks against the West in the last few years. The US investigations did not clear Trump and showed that several hundred of his staff and associates were involved in attempting to cover up the links. More is still to come out.
Who’s control was the person who’s been pushing this story under?

Best I can see is that the same person who’s been making these claims is the same one who’s been making the claims about Russian interference in brexit.

that guy gets his funding from the same person who bankrolled Hillary Clinton and the remain campaign.

you’ll see what you want to see and never be swayed from that.

trump has an awful lot of support in the US and is still seen as a political threat.

he won, because the establishment offered up a Marmite candidate who was the epitome of the establishment who high swathes of America didn’t feel represented them.

smearing that grouping political figurehead doesn’t make the problem go away. One could argue that even with years of constant criticism by those same people who didn’t want him to win in the first place, although he lost, he received more votes than any other Republican President in history.

Just as an FYI. I don’t think Trump was a particularly good president. He didn’t start wars with anybody. He bombed a close ally of the country that is alleged controlling him as well as economically hurting others. Hardly the actions of a puppet.

There’s serious divisions in the US at the moment.

I don’t know what your take in this is.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=afMofYie4Lc

I think there’s a lot of people out there who are looking for reasons why things have happened that they didn’t think should happen.
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It's less Russia being interested in Brexit than simply having a jolly. Chaos is good in the Russian book, albeit they view chaos as a means to an end unlike the west who view it as a dreadful thing that nothing can come out of. Either way, the most that can be said for nominal Russian involvement in Brexit was a bit of money tossed at it. Barely even trolling as opposed to simply seeing if anything amusing can happen.

As to the American election (singular, not plural was it not?), despite what American propaganda would have the world believe, their own investigation was quite clear in that this supposed interference was little more than internet trolling and stirring up existing divides. It does baffle me though that the Americans could ever get on their high horse about such things when it has been a long standing policy of theirs to interfere in everyones elections. From buying the Russian one, trying to implode several other countries, backing juntas and so on. People might argue about a false moral equivalence, but, lets be fair. As far as 'meddling' goes buying a few adverts and sending a bunch of fb trolls to piss around is hardly meaningful. The document leaks, slightly more so, but nothing that the Americans themselves dont do within their own elections under the banner of 'opposition research'.

Wouldnt attacking the government that is still broadly popular be eo ipso an attack on the people who still broadly support it? They take exception to the kleptocratic nature of it sure. But if you speak to any real everyday Russians they support the government (or at least Putin). Bear in mind, the people you hear in Russia bashing the government to the BBC/NYT etc. are a tiny minority of educated liberal city dwellers, they are not representative of anything much in a country such as Russia.

As a general point though, when looking at how/why the Kremlin does what it does most people use the west as a frame of reference. This is but the biggest mistake anyone can make for a country that has a fundamentally different world view and where many of our definitions such as rationale action, self interest, cooperation etc. are completely different in Russia. Keir Giles (a highly respected Russia watcher) recently wrote a good book on it (so did Galeotti for that matter) if anyone wants to really understand the workings of Russian domestic and foreign policy (and thus how it interacts with the west) it is highly recommended to read their works along with Trenin, Adamsky and so on.

Sorry for the long reply though
Man I actually enjoyed reading that, you write well. Good vocab and arguments. Keep it up.
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According to Craig Unger's new book, 'American Kompromat'. His extensive sources from amongst ex-KGB operatives have led to some startling (but perhaps not totally unexpected) revelations.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...b-spy-new-book

"For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery."

"Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives."

Long overdue that Trump be investigated properly for being an agent of a foreign power.
Look pretty stupid making this don’t you

Also it’s widely known that the centre for American progress is extremely left leaning
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