Why is British education so rubbish

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Aside from primary, they just make it too stressful and not enough creativity for the students. I also have evidence to back it up, as the government made an advert claiming a young ballerina woman by the name of “Fatima”, could potentially have her job turned cyber?
Also, another issue I would like to mark, why on earth do uni students have to pay 9 grand to be thrown away in a room in a horrible factory looking place and expected to just turn into a robot worker? I also felt this way before the pandemic in my defence, I believe you shouldn’t have to pay to become educated and that’s the problem with the mentality of this country’s education.
So just to state, this is my opinion and it’s fine if you don’t agree, I was just curious if anyone felt the same way?
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Aside from primary, they just make it too stressful and not enough creativity for the students. I also have evidence to back it up, as the government made an advert claiming a young ballerina woman by the name of “Fatima”, could potentially have her job turned cyber?
Also, another issue I would like to mark, why on earth do uni students have to pay 9 grand to be thrown away in a room in a horrible factory looking place and expected to just turn into a robot worker? I also felt this way before the pandemic in my defence, I believe you shouldn’t have to pay to become educated and that’s the problem with the mentality of this country’s education.
So just to state, this is my opinion and it’s fine if you don’t agree, I was just curious if anyone felt the same way?
In what way is this "evidence" of Britain having **** education..?
As to university, because shockingly enough the tax payer doesnt want to cough up, directly, billions each year for people to piss around doing gender studies courses at some irrelevant institution. Times have changed since tuition was free, namely an explosion in students, theres no turning back now without banning a hell of a lot of people from going to university.
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Its rubbish because its not stressful enough, and there is far to much freedom and creativity allowed to children in their education.

Pupils aren't stressed because of school, by the time they enter the classroom they are full of anxiety+stress+problems because of the ridiculous way we treat children these days. Of course its too much to handle if the rest of your life is a mess of anxiety and problems.
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Our education system isn't 'rubbish.' In fact, I fully believe that the quality of teaching in most institutions is head and shoulders above what is provided in some other developed countries. The failure within our education system comes most of the time from a lack of government direction, or understanding. There hasn't been a competent education minister in years, and I don't think there will be for some time.

They don't understand that a one size fits all approach does absolutely not work, and sets teachers up to fail from the start. At primary level, this isn't so inconvenient because most of the students can engage with the work given, or if they can't, behaviour isn't that poor that it affects the rest of the class. It is past primary level, or perhaps in Year 6 when things change. Teachers know their students, and they know what sort of person that their student will be. You can easily tell from Year 6 onwards whether a person is suited to the education we provide or not. Why on earth we continue to push students who cannot engage with the education system we offer I have no clue. It's at that point that they should be removed from mainstream education and involved in vocational courses to suit their needs. We have a shortage of plumbers, tilers, joiners, bricklayers etc in this country, which could be easily addressed by involving students in vocational courses earlier.

This approach would also be beneficial to those who can involve themselves in our education system. Behaviour in schools is poor, generally. Most schools will not admit this, but it is. And that is for three main reasons. The first is that schools generally have no way to get rid of poorly behaving students without a fight. Secondly, when they do, there is nowhere for these students to go. Thirdly, our one size fits all approach encourages poor behaviour because the number one reason that students misbehave is due to lack of engagement. If they cannot engage, they feel stupid therefore will lash out. That's a simplistic way of putting it but it is the main reason. If these students were removed from mainstream education and given vocational teaching this would absolutely improve behaviour in schools, but also vastly improve the quality of teaching that bright students get because teachers won't constantly be battling behaviour issues.

Of course, all of the above will never happen because that requires far too much common sense from our government. It's also worth noting as a side note, that what absolutely doesn't help our educational system is the lack of parenting skills shown by more than a minority of our population. The amount of behaviour issues now stems from poor parenting. There used to be perhaps one or two behaviour issues per class, now there's easily four or five, which absolutely detracts from the quality teaching that should and could be given.
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Have any of you realized that your education system is far better than the American System? We are drowning in depression and anxiety over here. Our public school systems is so unfair and we learn absolutely nothing.
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British education is the envy of much of the world, although it's not perfect. There are few countries' which is better.

University students don't need to pay for their education. It is covered by the state as student loans. Graduates pay it back (but about half won't) so it really functions more as a graduate tax. The reason they need to pay is because teaching costs money(!) and it is fair that the individual that benefits should pay some of the cost.

You are right that you don't need to pay much to become educated. Schools and libraries are free at the point of use. Nobody forces you to go to university.
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From my experiences in school (2005-2018), the state school system is simply underfunded, understaffed, and centered around turning children into obedient little worker bees first and educating them second.
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(Original post by alandabeast10)
Aside from primary, they just make it too stressful and not enough creativity for the students. I also have evidence to back it up, as the government made an advert claiming a young ballerina woman by the name of “Fatima”, could potentially have her job turned cyber?
Also, another issue I would like to mark, why on earth do uni students have to pay 9 grand to be thrown away in a room in a horrible factory looking place and expected to just turn into a robot worker? I also felt this way before the pandemic in my defence, I believe you shouldn’t have to pay to become educated and that’s the problem with the mentality of this country’s education.
So just to state, this is my opinion and it’s fine if you don’t agree, I was just curious if anyone felt the same way?
What you have written has nothing to do with the quality of British education.
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it is like number 10 on the best globally
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British education is the envy of much of the world, although it's not perfect. There are few countries' which is better.

University students don't need to pay for their education. It is covered by the state as student loans. Graduates pay it back (but about half won't) so it really functions more as a graduate tax. The reason they need to pay is because teaching costs money(!) and it is fair that the individual that benefits should pay some of the cost.
I'm sure other countries really really envy our crumbling 10 year old textbooks, aging PCs, barely functional sports equipment, and classes of 35.
Also, if fatcats like Mike Ashley bothered to pay their taxes, then each of them would be contributing enough tax to send hundreds if not thousands of students to university. The education required for jobs that people don't sneer at should be free.
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Unpopular opinion: our education system is actually pretty good (as far as education systems go)

I mean, it can be stressful af but that's just education for you. The fact that at the age of 16 we can choose to specialise in our 3 favourite subjects and drop any subjects we don't like is IMHO an immense luxury especially considering most countries in the world do not have this option.

Of course I'm not talking about university because having to pay £9,250 a year is a dog sh*te price to have to pay for education especially compared to our fellow European counterparts. But A Levels are great and GCSEs aren't that bad.
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I honestly have never liked school, it's because I don't think education is important, it's because I think school is genuinely horrible. I hate how us students have to learn stuff we most likely won't use later in life such as mitochondria and algebra instead of things we actually need to know such as paying taxes and buying a house. I also sometimes think that the education system in the UK just sets us up to fail.
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Have any of you realized that your education system is far better than the American System? We are drowning in depression and anxiety over here. Our public school systems is so unfair and we learn absolutely nothing.
have you seen your exams? much less vigorous than UK exams.
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Aside from primary, they just make it too stressful and not enough creativity for the students. I also have evidence to back it up, as the government made an advert claiming a young ballerina woman by the name of “Fatima”, could potentially have her job turned cyber?
Also, another issue I would like to mark, why on earth do uni students have to pay 9 grand to be thrown away in a room in a horrible factory looking place and expected to just turn into a robot worker? I also felt this way before the pandemic in my defence, I believe you shouldn’t have to pay to become educated and that’s the problem with the mentality of this country’s education.
So just to state, this is my opinion and it’s fine if you don’t agree, I was just curious if anyone felt the same way?
I agree education here has issues. I disagree that's its particularly stressful; there are far more stressful systems out there (look at South Korea, for example). I strongly disagree about lack of creativity.

As for paying 9 grand to sit in a "horrible factory looking place", university is optional, and there are plenty of lovely universities. Ever been to Cambridge or Oxford?
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centered around turning children into obedient little worker bees first and educating them second.
That was actually the whole point of state education, as society moved away from agriculture and other manual jobs, E.G. mining and built massive skyscraper cities they realised that they needed people to work in those skyscrapers so they devised schools where kids would learn the skills to become office workers, thereby generating future staff members to work in those offices.
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