Keir Starmer is the most competitive Labour candidate since Tony Blair

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Rakas21 you like this guy?
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I respect your opinions! Although starmer is influential, he’s still not got the entire party behind him
Honestly, it’s the party that needs to change. Let Corbyn’s rad left move off and create their own party and take Diane Abbott and Bell Riberio with them.
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Rakas21 you like this guy?
Not politically (when I said I liked him I meant as in competent, well spoken, articulate), I'm not nearly liberal enough to be woke.
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Honestly, it’s the party that needs to change. Let Corbyn’s rad left move off and create their own party and take Diane Abbott and Bell Riberio with them.
As per Chucka and co, they'd not be able to ride the gravy train. Though CUK at least took the risk.
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If he doesn't win thousands of council seats in May he should go.

He has barely laid a glove on the Tories in the past ten months. Says it all.

All he seems to do is support the Tories on just about everything.
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Wait hold on, does this also mean he’s a war criminal?
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If he doesn't win thousands of council seats in May he should go.

Dreadful leader.
Who would you have instead?
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Who would you have instead?
Burnham.

Clive Lewis.
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Rakas21 you like this guy?
Don't get why you dislike him.

He's basically turned the Labour Party into a spare Tory party.
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Don't get why you dislike him.

He's basically turned the Labour Party into a spare Tory party.
A complete lie, that only exposes how far left you are though
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A complete lie, that only exposes how far left you are though
Nope. I'm pretty centre left. Hence I don't want a right winger as Labour leader.
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If he doesn't win thousands of council seats in May he should go.

He has barely laid a glove on the Tories in the past ten months. Says it all.

All he seems to do is support the Tories on just about everything.
We are in the middle of a global pandemic. You’re deluded if you think that swinging opposition punches at this time is the correct strategy in the eyes of the majority of the public. The public want an opposition yes, but they don’t want to see the usual cat fighting at this time. Any attempt to do that would make Starmer look tremendously petty, which I assume he is well aware of.
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Nope. I'm pretty centre left. Hence I don't want a right winger as Labour leader.
Well Starmer is most definitely not right wing
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We are in the middle of a global pandemic. You’re deluded if you think that swinging opposition punches at this time is the correct strategy in the eyes of the majority of the public. The public want an opposition yes, but they don’t want to see the usual cat fighting at this time. Any attempt to do that would make Starmer look tremendously petty, which I assume he is well aware of.
Pointing out the very obvious errors which have made the impact of the pandemic much worse is not petty.

Like when they supported the eat out to help out or the easing of restrictions for Christmas.
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Pointing out the very obvious errors which have made the impact of the pandemic much worse is not petty.

Like when they supported the eat out to help out or the easing of restrictions for Christmas.
The former is a case that's not really left-right, we had very low cases and restaurants were struggling.

The later is not something you can credibly oppose from the off. The people who don't care about Christmas are already voting Labour.
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The former is a case that's not really left-right, we had very low cases and restaurants were struggling.

The later is not something you can credibly oppose from the off. The people who don't care about Christmas are already voting Labour.
Both of which made the pandemic much worse. And also Labour supported keeping schools open even though the science was strongly against it. The public overwhelmingly backed closing schools (over 70% did). It would have been such an easy win for Labour, but instead they rushed to support the Tories. So when the inevitable u-turn came Labour got absolutely no credit.

Can you name a single time Starmer has really had the Tories on the back foot? Piers Morgan has, Marcus Rashford has, even Ed Miliband did.
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Well Starmer is most definitely not right wing
I didn't think he was. But if you keep supporting the Tories on absolutely everything then it becomes harder to say he isn't.
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Both of which made the pandemic much worse. And also Labour supported keeping schools open even though the science was strongly against it. The public overwhelmingly backed closing schools (over 70% did). It would have been such an easy win for Labour, but instead they rushed to support the Tories. So when the inevitable u-turn came Labour got absolutely no credit.

Can you name a single time Starmer has really had the Tories on the back foot? Piers Morgan has, Marcus Rashford has, even Ed Miliband did.
The aforementioned names can do that because they are not the leader of the opposition. You’re totally missing the bigger picture. This could be such an easy win for Labour but the timing is key. Striking Boris now for example while we’ve absolutely blown the world away with vaccines is not the right time. Timing from Starmer is key. If you want Labour anywhere near power you have to wait.


You’d be less than useless hunting... :rolleyes:
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Don't get why you dislike him.

He's basically turned the Labour Party into a spare Tory party.
No. He's trying to turn the labour party into a blairite party again. Only part of the Tory party is like that - (,the liberal moderate pro remain part - people like Matt Hancock) the rest are Thatcherites or/and social conservatives which Keir is Definitely Not (John Redwood, Peter Bone etc)

I don't like 'moderates' . I'd rather vote for a real socialist than a fake conservative or liberal which is why I voted for Corbyn over May in 2017.
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I'm a conservative, but I'll vote for Labour if Mr. Johnson stands for re-election in 2024.
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