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Keir Starmer is the most competitive Labour candidate since Tony Blair
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#41
(Original post by AidenPearce2020)
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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#42
(Original post by DSilva)
I didn't think he was. But if you keep supporting the Tories on absolutely everything then it becomes harder to say he isn't.
I didn't think he was. But if you keep supporting the Tories on absolutely everything then it becomes harder to say he isn't.
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#43
(Original post by Ambitious1999)
Compared to Blair, Starmer is quite anti- Europe. Starmer is a Brexiteer who wants a more distant relationship with Europe.
Compared to Blair, Starmer is quite anti- Europe. Starmer is a Brexiteer who wants a more distant relationship with Europe.
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#44
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
He doesn’t support the Tories on absolutely everything, are you awake? Have you been watching British politics for the last year?
He doesn’t support the Tories on absolutely everything, are you awake? Have you been watching British politics for the last year?
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#45
I'm not sure stuff like taking the knee endeared him to blue collar red wall voters he needs. Now he is trying to come across as a patriot and wrap himself in the flag. He is starting to look like a man standing at the side of the road looking for a bandwagon to jump on.
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#46
(Original post by DSilva)
Why did he support them on keeping schools open when the science clearly showed it was a bad idea, teachers were strongly against it and the public were overwhelmingly against it?
Why did he support them on keeping schools open when the science clearly showed it was a bad idea, teachers were strongly against it and the public were overwhelmingly against it?
Also just because the public were overwhelmingly against it means nothing. To begin with, when the pandemic started, people wanted schools to close. When the effect of no schools became clear, they wanted them open. They wanted schools closed, then they blame the government on education and want them open and then want them closed, acting like a bunch of moaning whining children.
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#47
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
Because keeping children away from schools is detrimental to their learning.
Also just because the public were overwhelmingly against it means nothing. To begin with, when the pandemic started, people wanted schools to close. When the effect of no schools became clear, they wanted them open. They wanted schools closed, then they blame the government on education and want them open and then want them closed, acting like a bunch of moaning whining children.
Because keeping children away from schools is detrimental to their learning.
Also just because the public were overwhelmingly against it means nothing. To begin with, when the pandemic started, people wanted schools to close. When the effect of no schools became clear, they wanted them open. They wanted schools closed, then they blame the government on education and want them open and then want them closed, acting like a bunch of moaning whining children.
The government were always going to u turn on it. The position for Labour to take from a scientific, ethical and political standpoint was utterly obvious.
Starmer was out flanked on the issue BY Jeremy Hunt.
And Labour refused to oppose the Spycops bill, or the cutting of international aid (they were out flanked on this by David Cameron...).
What exactly do Labour oppose the government on?
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#48
(Original post by DSilva)
Of course is is. Yet the science had proven beyond doubt it was a massive source of spreading coronavirus.
The government were always going to u turn on it. The position for Labour to take from a scientific, ethical and political standpoint was utterly obvious.
Starmer was out flanked on the issue BY Jeremy Hunt.
And Labour refused to oppose the Spycops bill, or the cutting of international aid (they were out flanked on this by David Cameron...).
What exactly do Labour oppose the government on?
Of course is is. Yet the science had proven beyond doubt it was a massive source of spreading coronavirus.
The government were always going to u turn on it. The position for Labour to take from a scientific, ethical and political standpoint was utterly obvious.
Starmer was out flanked on the issue BY Jeremy Hunt.
And Labour refused to oppose the Spycops bill, or the cutting of international aid (they were out flanked on this by David Cameron...).
What exactly do Labour oppose the government on?
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#49
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
It’s extremely difficult for Labour to oppose anything when they are a minority within parliamentary
It’s extremely difficult for Labour to oppose anything when they are a minority within parliamentary
Again, Ed Miliband a few months ago made Johnson look small and showed him up for what he is. Why can't Starmer do that?
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#50
(Original post by DSilva)
They can make their voice hold the government to account. They aren't doing so.
Again, Ed Miliband a few months ago made Johnson look small and showed him up for what he is. Why can't Starmer do that?
They can make their voice hold the government to account. They aren't doing so.
Again, Ed Miliband a few months ago made Johnson look small and showed him up for what he is. Why can't Starmer do that?
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#51
(Original post by -Imperator-)
I'm a conservative, but I'll vote for Labour if Mr. Johnson stands for re-election in 2024.
I'm a conservative, but I'll vote for Labour if Mr. Johnson stands for re-election in 2024.
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#52
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
Because Starmer is Captain Hindsight
Because Starmer is Captain Hindsight
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#53
(Original post by imlikeahermit)
I’m a conservative and Mr Johnson didn’t get my vote the first time, and he won’t the next time, but I don’t think I’d ever stoop to voting Labour.
I’m a conservative and Mr Johnson didn’t get my vote the first time, and he won’t the next time, but I don’t think I’d ever stoop to voting Labour.
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#54
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
If you’re an actual conservative then yes, you would not vote Labour
If you’re an actual conservative then yes, you would not vote Labour
As many traditional Labour and Liberal supporters did in 1979, 1983 and 1987.
Just as many traditional Conservative supporters did in 1997, 2001 and 2005.
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#55
(Original post by jackmarshal757)
If you’re an actual conservative then yes, you would not vote Labour
If you’re an actual conservative then yes, you would not vote Labour
If Boris lost the union for example I would probably vote Labour to punish him and ensure he was no longer PM albeit that's an extreme example.
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#56
(Original post by -Imperator-)
I'm a conservative, but I'll vote for Labour if Mr. Johnson stands for re-election in 2024.
I'm a conservative, but I'll vote for Labour if Mr. Johnson stands for re-election in 2024.
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#57
(Original post by Rakas21)
You'd think so but some people so strange things.
If Boris lost the union for example I would probably vote Labour to punish him and ensure he was no longer PM albeit that's an extreme example.
You'd think so but some people so strange things.
If Boris lost the union for example I would probably vote Labour to punish him and ensure he was no longer PM albeit that's an extreme example.
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#58
(Original post by imlikeahermit)
See I just wouldn’t vote. The ironic thing is that anyway I vote in the next GE my taxes are going up regardless.
See I just wouldn’t vote. The ironic thing is that anyway I vote in the next GE my taxes are going up regardless.
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#59
(Original post by Rakas21)
I don't think I could bring myself not to vote.
I don't think I could bring myself not to vote.
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