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When you can't tell the difference between a protest and an armed riot its time to sit down, because nobody's going to listen to your insane ramblings.
Remember kids:

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(Edit: I'm trolling slightly here but I'm making the point that it largely depends. If you lost your life or your business* due to the 'peaceful protests' you might take a different view. These politicians are far more powerful and insulated then these folk* were)
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When you can't tell the difference between a protest and an armed riot its time to sit down, because nobody's going to listen to your insane ramblings.
People were rioting in the summer, riots caused nearly $3 billion in damages and that’s only what’s been claimed through insurance. Many people in the summer were armed. What happened at the capitol wasn’t an armed riot, but a riot nonetheless
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People were rioting in the summer, riots caused nearly $3 billion in damages and that’s only what’s been claimed through insurance. Many people in the summer were armed. What happened at the capitol wasn’t an armed riot, but a riot nonetheless
Not to mention all the deaths and an area of the US literally secedeing from the US
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People were rioting in the summer, riots caused nearly $3 billion in damages and that’s only what’s been claimed through insurance. Many people in the summer were armed. What happened at the capitol wasn’t an armed riot, but a riot nonetheless
Most of these so-called 'riots' were initiated by organised Far Right groups rallying to attack peaceful protests by BLM people. When attacked, some fought back.

Here is a good article on Bellingcat about a far right protester tooling up to shoot people in Portland, Oregon.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021...land-violence/
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(Original post by jackmarshal757)
People were rioting in the summer, riots caused nearly $3 billion in damages and that’s only what’s been claimed through insurance. Many people in the summer were armed. What happened at the capitol wasn’t an armed riot, but a riot nonetheless
It just gave a chance to some pathological liars to make up stories about how they were oh so fearful for their lives when they were in no immediate danger.
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It just gave a chance to some pathological liars to make up stories about how they were oh so fearful for their lives when they were in no immediate danger.
It is very easy, and very understandable, for people who have never been in harm's way to feel threatened when it is happening close by, when it is happening in their office building, when it is happening in the corridors they walk every day.

It is also very easy for other people who have also never been in harm's way to mock others for feeling like they are, for being so certain of their own version of the truth that any deviance from that is a sign of that person's superiority. When in reality it is nothing of the sort.

When you have predetermined that a group of people are something, any evidence that counters it is denied by the brain, so as to assuage those misguided beliefs. It simply doesn't enter the mind that you could be wrong about something. That you have some single truth that others aren't privy to. You don't. There is no wisdom, there is no alternative fact that only you possess. You simply don't like those people. And that blunts both your brain and your thinking. It is a failure of critical thought, and a failure of education.

And the worst part is, you either know this and don't care about your ignorance, or you don't know how ignorant you truly are.
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Most of these so-called 'riots' were initiated by organised Far Right groups rallying to attack peaceful protests by BLM people. When attacked, some fought back.

Here is a good article on Bellingcat about a far right protester tooling up to shoot people in Portland, Oregon.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021...land-violence/
That’s Portland, the city where rioting has been continuously happening since George Floyd was killed. On the day Biden was inaugurated Antifa destroyed the Democrat offices in Portland in protest. Most of these riots have not been initiated by organised far right groups and were in fact mostly started by those on the far left.

They aren’t ‘so-called’, look at the footage of riots, pictures of whole cities burning. Washington was burning during the summer.

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Washington was in flames during the summer and people on the left completely dismissed it
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Most of these riots have not been initiated by organised far right groups and were in fact mostly started by those on the far left.
You keep saying this but it's a complete lie. Portland was first targeted by the Far Right and they organised multiple demonstrations there which were actually focused violent attacks. Unfortunately, police there and in many other areas stood aside and did nothing, so BLM people had to defend themselves. Then the police and Homeland Security further conspired against BLM, harassing and attacking them. The template was set for the right wing insurrection, which was also aided by a number of people from 'law enforcement'.
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Most of these far right bogie men groups such as The Proud Boys and Oathkeepers were basically run by the FBI.

Another case of CoIntelPro aimed at shutting down dissent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COIN...0organizations.
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You keep saying this but it's a complete lie. Portland was first targeted by the Far Right and they organised multiple demonstrations there which were actually focused violent attacks. Unfortunately, police there and in many other areas stood aside and did nothing, so BLM people had to defend themselves. Then the police and Homeland Security further conspired against BLM, harassing and attacking them. The template was set for the right wing insurrection, which was also aided by a number of people from 'law enforcement'.
Wrong again, the far left were the ones instigating violence, created a whole other country in protest called CHAZ. They kicked the police out and were also attacking the home of the Portland Mayor, none of that was the far right.

https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97...89b4636faa7b70

Let’s not forget a man was killed by the far left for being a Republican and then they celebrated his death in the streets
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Wrong again, the far left were the ones instigating violence, created a whole other country in protest called CHAZ. They kicked the police out and were also attacking the home of the Portland Mayor, none of that was the far right.

https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97...89b4636faa7b70

Let’s not forget a man was killed by the far left for being a Republican and then they celebrated his death in the streets
CHAZ was entirely peaceful until the cops tried to smash it up.

Danielson was killed in an altercation when he was reaching for his gun.
"According to the police affidavit, Danielson had a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and was holding a can of bear spray and an expandable metal baton."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...chael_Reinoehl

He was previously a Republican but had switched his allegiance to the Far Right.

I don't condone his killing but you shouldn't misrepresent the facts.
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It just gave a chance to some pathological liars to make up stories about how they were oh so fearful for their lives when they were in no immediate danger.
You spent a month dishonestly propagating the very same bogus conspiracy theories that are popular among the far right extremists that tried to disrupt democracy simply because you could not psychologically accept the American election result.

So it is quite ironic that you'd accuse others of being pathological liars.
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CHAZ was entirely peaceful until the cops tried to smash it up.

Danielson was killed in an altercation when he was reaching for his gun.
"According to the police affidavit, Danielson had a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and was holding a can of bear spray and an expandable metal baton."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...chael_Reinoehl

He was previously a Republican but had switched his allegiance to the Far Right.

I don't condone his killing but you shouldn't misrepresent the facts.
CHAZ was not entirely peaceful, nothing but. It had self proclaimed leaders who were patrolling around demanding money from businesses and had an armed militia patrolling its borders. Ironic since they’re against police and against the wall. There were three shootings in CHAZ and looting and violence. They forced the police out, embarrassing for them because they didn’t want to be seen backing down to lefties. What did they think would happen without police?

Not to mention it was completely illegal and pretty much a small scale coup, yet I don’t see you condemning it. What would you expect the police to do? They took over a whole city block by force and then for weeks the police refused to do nothing because of the fear of backlash, they had to demonstrate a show of force when they eventually moved in.
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I’ve watched bits of it on and off. The impeachment managers are doing a great job of speaking and laying out the evidence but we all know it’s not going to matter anyway.

He’s guilty, but he’ll be found not guilty. It’s a completely pointless trial.
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I’ve watched bits of it on and off. The impeachment managers are doing a great job of speaking and laying out the evidence but we all know it’s not going to matter anyway.

He’s guilty, but he’ll be found not guilty. It’s a completely pointless trial.
I hope it's not pointless. I think it will stand on the record as a permanent rebuke to those slimy Republican lawmakers who preferred to side with an anti-Democrat who wanted to overthrow the institutions denying him office both by force and deceit, purely for self-interest and the financial advantage of their friends.
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I’ve watched bits of it on and off. The impeachment managers are doing a great job of speaking and laying out the evidence but we all know it’s not going to matter anyway.

He’s guilty, but he’ll be found not guilty. It’s a completely pointless trial.
The evidence they’re using is flimsy, it’s all down to interpretation and it’s all circumstantial. I don’t condone what happened at the capitol but the evidence is next to nothing, it doesn’t actually prove he was responsible for the attacks or prove he ordered them
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The evidence they’re using is flimsy, it’s all down to interpretation and it’s all circumstantial. I don’t condone what happened at the capitol but the evidence is next to nothing, it doesn’t actually prove he was responsible for the attacks or prove he ordered them
What we do know now for sure is that he knew Pence and his family were in danger and carried on tweeting against Pence and inciting attacks on him. You'd think that Republicans might care about that!
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The mob were close to capturing the nuclear launch codes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...l-capitol-riot

Presumably they would have used them to nuke California and New York. :rolleyes:
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The mob were close to capturing the nuclear launch codes.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...l-capitol-riot

Presumably they would have used them to nuke California and New York. :rolleyes:
The nuclear launch system doesn't really work how most people imagine it does. Capturing the football would really have been of very little use to the mob. The main security concern would have been if someone had photographed some of the pre-prepared nuclear strategies contained in the football and then posted them online, or something like that.
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Most of these so-called 'riots' were initiated by organised Far Right groups rallying to attack peaceful protests by BLM people. When attacked, some fought back.

Here is a good article on Bellingcat about a far right protester tooling up to shoot people in Portland, Oregon.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021...land-violence/
But extreme left wing organised riots are Ok?

I generally don’t like people on the extremes at either end. Both preach hatred and end up with lots of people in the ground.

This is what people seem to forget. Trump gained huge amounts of support from people who felt left behind.

So far the impeachment trial doesn’t seem to be doing anything. Lots of grandstanding. Not a lot of content.

I fear it’ll end up like the time Boris/leave uK etc got taken to court. Lots of accusations that were thrown out of court. Lots of media attention on the claims. Not a lot of media coverage the acquittal.
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