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Boris Johnson
Theresa May
David Cameron
Gordon Brown
Tony Blair
John Major
Margaret Thatcher


Give them your own personal mark out of ten and to make it Interesting grade them (A*-F) on what they achieved even if you think it's a bad thing. Eg I think Tony Blair was an evil disaster for this country so I would give him a 1/10 but think he was exceptionally skilled at advancing his agenda so I would score him- 1/10 'A'



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Boris Johnson 7/10 C

Theresa May 3/10 F

David Cameron 5/10 D

Gordon Brown 4/10 E

Tony Blair 1/10 A

John Major 4/10 C

Margaret Thatcher 8/10 B
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Boris Johnson 6/10 B

Theresa May 3/10 D

David Cameron 5/10 C

Gordon Brown 2/10 E

Tony Blair 6/10 C

John Major 1/10 E

Margaret Thatcher 8/10 B
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Boris Johnson 6/10 B

Theresa May 3/10 D

David Cameron 5/10 C

Gordon Brown 2/10 E

Tony Blair 6/10 C

John Major 1/10 E

Margaret Thatcher 8/10 B
I generally agree but why have you got John Major so low compared to tony Blair.

Tony Blair was successful at the start because he kept Majors policies in play especially the economic ones. Also, although Blair likes to take credit for the Good Friday Agreement, Major had done all of the work to get it set up. TCB just claimed the glory at the end.
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I generally agree but why have you got John Major so low compared to tony Blair.

Tony Blair was successful at the start because he kept Majors policies in play especially the economic ones. Also, although Blair likes to take credit for the Good Friday Agreement, Major had done all of the work to get it set up. TCB just claimed the glory at the end.
I'm more of a fan of Redwood, Thatcher and Churchill. Even JRM.
I will probably never vote for a Labour Party candidate.
If I had been old enough to vote in the 1997 GE, I would have voted for Tony Blair solely to rid No 10 of John Major and his government's 'back to basics' preachy road to utter chaos.

Never mind the internal strife with the hardcore euroskeptics that almost tore the Conservatives apart during the Major years in power, load of bull that culminated in the national shame of 16 September 1992 and the appalling failure to make any real effort to restrain the worst of the loyalist paramilitary leaders & outfits bringing utter carnage to NI almost every weekday.
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Boris Johnson 3/10 B
Theresa May 5/10 D
David Cameron 7/10 C
Gordon Brown 4/10 D
Tony Blair idek/10 B
John Major 3/10 D
Margaret Thatcher 7/10 A
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Boris Johnson 1/10 F

Theresa May 2/10 E

David Cameron 3/10 D

Gordon Brown 2/10 E

Tony Blair 9/10 A

John Major 2/10 E

Margaret Thatcher 8/10 A
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Johnson: 8/10 D (Too early to judge really)
May: 6/10 E (Swallowed by Brexit despite potential)
Cameron: 8/10 B (Lost marks on social guff)
Brown: 4/10 E (Created his own mess and got swallowed up)
Blair: 7/10 A (Full marks on foreign policy)
Major: 9/10 B (Poor party leader, actually a good PM)
Thatcher: 9/10 A (Best PM)
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Johnson: 8/10 D (Too early to judge really)
May: 6/10 E (Swallowed by Brexit despite potential)
Cameron: 8/10 B (Lost marks on social guff)
Brown: 4/10 E (Created his own mess and got swallowed up)
Blair: 7/10 A (Full marks on foreign policy)
Major: 9/10 B (Poor party leader, actually a good PM)
Thatcher: 9/10 A (Best PM)
Happy to see someone else thought highly of Cameron! Why do you give Johnson such a high mark though?
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What was so good about Cameron? He was a good performer but banked his reputation on opposing brexit and lost. Ultimately he was closer to nick clegg than Thatcher
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Happy to see someone else thought highly of Cameron! Why do you give Johnson such a high mark though?
Boris is strange in what I agree with because he loses economy points for wanting to blow the deficit even pre Covid but gains it back for wanting to spend on infrastructure. He gets a mark against him for not having any notable foreign policy goal but gains it back for completing Brexit.

On Cameron I care about outcomes more than fanatical ideology. He did make steady and good progress on the deficit, he did reduce a swathe of non vat taxes for the working poor (higher savings allowance and tax threshold) and he did engage in Libya and Syria/Iraq rather than cow to isolationists. I don't really care that he eventually went due to losing a referendum.

All of them have their flaws of course.
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Boris Johnson - should be hung for what he's done to the country. A treacherous, self serving, incompetent snake.
Theresa May - Who?
David Cameron - A moron who will forever be known as the man who divided the country and likely killed the union for no other reason than he was scared of that irrelevent little **** Farage.
Gordon Brown - Fairly forgetable but as far as they go a fairly good technocratic sort.
Tony Blair - A war criminal who publicly shamed Britain on the world stage by deep throating the Americans by doing something even they would never ever have done had they not had a rogue president (Suez being the example here and it being a matter of record that Jr was a lunatic and surrounded by even bigger ones, threatening to nuke Iran indeed.)
John Major - Fairly meh (admittedly before my time though) Black Tuesday (or whichever day of the week it was :rolleyes:) will haunt his legacy though.
Margaret Thatcher - The second worst female PM as well as one of the best. The basket is so utterly polarised in her policies its hard to rate her in my book. She did immeasurable good for the country and actually managed to gain us some respect on the world stage by not kowtowing to a tinpot little dictator. On the flip side she ruined millions of lives and left swathes of the country destitute .. her son was also a criminal..
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Boris Johnson - should be hung for what he's done to the country. A treacherous, self serving, incompetent snake.
Theresa May - Who?
David Cameron - A moron who will forever be known as the man who divided the country and likely killed the union for no other reason than he was scared of that irrelevent little **** Farage.
Gordon Brown - Fairly forgetable but as far as they go a fairly good technocratic sort.
Tony Blair - A war criminal who publicly shamed Britain on the world stage by deep throating the Americans by doing something even they would never ever have done had they not had a rogue president (Suez being the example here and it being a matter of record that Jr was a lunatic and surrounded by even bigger ones, threatening to nuke Iran indeed.)
John Major - Fairly meh (admittedly before my time though) Black Tuesday (or whichever day of the week it was :rolleyes:) will haunt his legacy though.
Margaret Thatcher - The second worst female PM as well as one of the best. The basket is so utterly polarised in her policies its hard to rate her in my book. She did immeasurable good for the country and actually managed to gain us some respect on the world stage by not kowtowing to a tinpot little dictator. On the flip side she ruined millions of lives and left swathes of the country destitute .. her son was also a criminal..
Johnson delivered on brexit though. He’ll
Go down in my oils as one of the best PMs for delivering that.

Then again, I like democracy.
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Johnson delivered on brexit though. He’ll
Go down in my oils as one of the best PMs for delivering that.

Then again, I like democracy.
You make it sound like some sort of achievment that he managed to get one of the worst outcomes possible :lol: It doesnt matter if you support or loath brexit it is a matter of fact that Johnsons "deal" was a pile of **** not worth the paper it was written on as it completely ignored Britains actual economy. Fishing indeed.
Surely Cameron should then, he was the one who got it. Johnson didnt even support it until he felt a change in the wind.

In what way?
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You make it sound like some sort of achievment that he managed to get one of the worst outcomes possible :lol: It doesnt matter if you support or loath brexit it is a matter of fact that Johnsons "deal" was a pile of **** not worth the paper it was written on as it completely ignored Britains actual economy. Fishing indeed.
Surely Cameron should then, he was the one who got it. Johnson didnt even support it until he felt a change in the wind.

In what way?
What about fishing in particular?
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What about fishing in particular?
It being the complete non-issue that the brexit crowd seem to have gotten their panties in a twist over. Whining incessently about fishing rights as if its actually an important issue to the nation (a couple of boats not withstanding). The fact their 'deal' completely sold out the countries actual economy to focus on some political talking points with no actual benefit to us is scandalous. We might not have to like bankers but the fact remains, Johnson and co. have hamstrung the nations most important economic sector for something nobody knows nor cares about.
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It being the complete non-issue that the brexit crowd seem to have gotten their panties in a twist over. Whining incessently about fishing rights as if its actually an important issue to the nation (a couple of boats not withstanding). The fact their 'deal' completely sold out the countries actual economy to focus on some political talking points with no actual benefit to us is scandalous. We might not have to like bankers but the fact remains, Johnson and co. have hamstrung the nations most important economic sector for something nobody knows nor cares about.
I voted to leave. Fishing was never a major concern for me, although it does highlight the fact that a government and its population is subservient to an unelectable supra natural body for control over resources.

I’m confused as to what you think the most important economic sector is? Are you saying it’s fishing? Or not?
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It being the complete non-issue that the brexit crowd seem to have gotten their panties in a twist over. Whining incessently about fishing rights as if its actually an important issue to the nation (a couple of boats not withstanding). The fact their 'deal' completely sold out the countries actual economy to focus on some political talking points with no actual benefit to us is scandalous. We might not have to like bankers but the fact remains, Johnson and co. have hamstrung the nations most important economic sector for something nobody knows nor cares about.
The deal is the way it is because of the level playing field rather than fishing, it would be no closer even if we allowed a free for all. If anything the deal gave too much away on the level playing field.
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The deal is the way it is because of the level playing field rather than fishing, it would be no closer even if we allowed a free for all. If anything the deal gave too much away on the level playing field.
Easy to give too much away when you have a First Minister telling the other side what the negotiation strategy is, a former PM and a former Deputy PM advising the other side and prize throbbers like this prime example of everything that is unholy with people that live in London popping into Brussels for a chat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8uSFSGR94iE

There was a time people like that would’ve been strung up at Traitors gate.
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I voted to leave. Fishing was never a major concern for me, although it does highlight the fact that a government and its population is subservient to an unelectable supra natural body for control over resources.

I’m confused as to what you think the most important economic sector is? Are you saying it’s fishing? Or not?
You are aware that the MEP's are elcted right? If people couldnt be bothered to vote thats on them. At any rate, whatever you think of the EU it is a matter of law now that Britains trade importance has been not so much undermined as dynamited. Large powerful blocks are the way of the world now - as we can see by the governments risible attempt to join the pacific one :lol:
Im saying fishing should never have even been looked at when compared to our economic interests. The city speaks for itself in terms of being the only real hard currency earner outside of specialised engineering these days. After all, the only products made in Britain youll ever find are jet engines, chocolate bars (even they tend to be foreign though) and a few JLR's. Britain isnt exactly known for much else besides financial services which has been nicely sold down the river by the brexit crowd for some bizarre reason.
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You are aware that the MEP's are elcted right? If people couldnt be bothered to vote thats on them. At any rate, whatever you think of the EU it is a matter of law now that Britains trade importance has been not so much undermined as dynamited. Large powerful blocks are the way of the world now - as we can see by the governments risible attempt to join the pacific one :lol:
Im saying fishing should never have even been looked at when compared to our economic interests. The city speaks for itself in terms of being the only real hard currency earner outside of specialised engineering these days. After all, the only products made in Britain youll ever find are jet engines, chocolate bars (even they tend to be foreign though) and a few JLR's. Britain isnt exactly known for much else besides financial services which has been nicely sold down the river by the brexit crowd for some bizarre reason.
MEPs are elected. Obviously such things as ‘why has Malta got 1 MEP per 77k population and the U.K. had 1 MEP representing 850k people.

Ignoring even that. The European Parliament works nothing like the U.K. Parliament. Those MEPs have very little say.

How’s our trade been dynamited? Service sector seems to be doing ok. Non of the doom a gloom type scenarios have happened.

What’s been dynamite?

We make a lot more in the U.K. than you think.

Undercarriages for aircraft, planes for wings and jet engines are one.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.f...we-really-got/

Cars. (Not just JLR)

medicines.
gas turbine components.
Food and drink.
medication.

it’s the service sector that keeps the British economy going. No real impact on there.

Worth a read of the last time Europe tried to block us out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_System
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